What Is Your Body Trying to Tell You Beneath the Symptoms? featuring Holly DelValle

In this episode, I sit down with Holly Del Valle, to explore the powerful role of fascia, cranial sacral therapy, and intuitive healing in releasing trauma and restoring the body's natural rhythm. We talk about healing at the intersection of science and soul -- and what it really means to come to home to yourself. 

Holly Del Valle, known online as The Hollystic Alchemist, is a Craniosacral Therapist, intuitive healer, and founder of Hollystic Alchemy, a sacred space where science meets soul. Blending Craniosacral Therapy, Emotional Clearing (EFT), Frequency Healing, Primitive Reflex Integration, and Lymphatic work, Holly helps clients of all ages unravel the root of chronic tension, trauma, airway issues, fascial tension, and nervous system dysregulation.

What began as her own healing journey after sudden onset unexplained dire health concerns that doctors couldn’t help her with and deep soul searching, has evolved into a calling to help others reconnect to the innate wisdom of their bodies. Holly believes healing is not just about feeling better, it’s about remembering who you are beneath the conditioning and returning to a state where your body, mind, and spirit can finally exhale. 

She’s passionate about working with mothers, children, and anyone ready to break cycles, reclaim their vitality, and expand into their most authentic expression. You can find her work on Instagram @hollystic.alchemist and at hollystic

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Transcript

SPEAKER_02: 1:17

Unapologetic Living Del Valle? That's right. Yeah, that's right. Okay, good. Thanks. Thank you for joining me on the show today. She is a quantum craniosacral therapist and fascial unwinder. And that's probably how I found her was because the word fascia and

SPEAKER_01: 1:53

all that

SPEAKER_02: 1:53

fascia entails with, you know, the mind-body connection and the fact that the body is so... amazing and to me created perfectly and perfect and that it's that we can heal ourselves when we like actually take the time to unwind

SPEAKER_00: 2:13

yeah yeah yeah I think that's probably the biggest thing I know you would just ask me that and we talked about different things but I think probably the biggest part of that whole thing is that we do have a lot of trauma in our body and it doesn't have to be capital T trauma. This can be any single emotion that has been experienced and never fully processed. So, and I think a lot of that we can track back to childhood, especially when you think about how many of us not necessarily my generation, but in my parents' generation and my grandparents' generation, grew up with multiple children in tighter income households. And there really just wasn't a whole lot of space given to children for what they're feeling, what they're going through. And all of that, in addition to capital T trauma, inflicts and stays in the body. And I think much like a computer system, if it's not defragmented, if it's not unwound, then it can't operate at its best. And when it is, it's actually a wonderful system that is, I mean, actually way better than any computer than we've ever dealt with and is divinely made. So it knows how to adapt and self-heal when it has the right tools. That's what I have found.

SPEAKER_02: 3:38

Yeah, I know. I do think some individuals, and I haven't had anything traumatic, but as you mentioned, sometimes it's small. And I think even energetically, right, that can be passed down in the tissues and in the body and the psyche. Oh, 100%.

SPEAKER_00: 3:57

Yeah, and we don't... And so many of the people I deal with when they're in their, like, 40s, 50s, 60s have no recollection of... I mean, not recollection, but no... Cognizant, like nobody's ever sat and asked them that question. You can tell. And they sit with it like, have I experienced trauma? They're like, oh, I fell down a flight of stairs once or I got ran over by a car. But like that to them is not even trauma. Forget emotional things that you have been sitting in the body this whole time that actually do affect the nervous system and the brain body connection and how you move through life.

SPEAKER_02: 4:30

Yeah. You mentioned, you know, car accident. What did you say? Being run over by a car. You said something else, but,

SPEAKER_00: 4:36

you know,

SPEAKER_02: 4:37

and people, I don't even think they always connect that surgery happens.

SPEAKER_00: 4:48

Yes, even when I do, like, because I also do lymphatic drainage, and I always tell people, even if, you know, even if we're coming to me for craniosacral, you know, it's a good idea. People are like, should I come for your post-surgery? I'm like, both, honestly, because, you know, even if you don't come to do it beforehand, at least prep your body and speak to your body before surgery. I know that sounds silly, but it's so important. Like, you're just going into this whole experience, and yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02: 5:17

Yeah, and you're getting cut open, which is completely not something the body is, I mean, I don't even know if it's meant for, but it happens, right? And it can be licensing, but it definitely impacts the body, which is I think probably what brought me to my work with fascia is having a spinal fusion at the age of 12.

SPEAKER_00: 5:46

And

SPEAKER_02: 5:48

having, you know, a scar, which that's a whole nother thing, right? How the scar tissue can affect the communication. Yeah. But that, you know, when you think about if you know you have this impending operation coming up, there are feelings and emotions surrounding that. having your toe taken off or...

SPEAKER_00: 6:13

100%. And when you talk about that scar tissue, that's a big part that, you know, physicians and surgeons haven't really thought about like, oh, you're going to need to have that broken up after where it hasn't really been a big deal. I mean, so many times I wasn't expecting to have a C-section. And if I hadn't been a massage therapist prior to and knowing how important it was for scar tissue work and all of that, I wouldn't have known that importance of doing that type of work on the C-section scar post. And when I talk to women now, I'm like, you know, when they have adhesions and scar tissue, well, scar tissue from the surgery, and we're cutting off the lymph flow. in a major section. And then the scar tissue that forms there, not to mention if there was trauma surrounding that, if there was fear leading up to that, now it's all trapped in that tissue that has now created a scar tissue now adhering to the internal organs. So now we're talking women who have issues with pelvic floor issues or they're like, wait a second. I'm like, no, there's a connection there, but they haven't, they don't really express that. So it's still a learning curve for us all.

SPEAKER_02: 7:23

Yeah, and many allopathic physicians aren't going to connect those dots.

SPEAKER_00: 7:30

I find more of them are, but I don't know if that's just because of the area I'm in and, you know, you see what you are putting out there. You know, it's like I'm seeing, you know, so it's like it's hard to know if that's just what I'm seeing or if that's becoming more prevalent. And, you know, I live in Sarasota area and this area just breeds more people who see the full picture.

SPEAKER_02: 7:52

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Up here in Kentucky, I would say it's probably a mixed bag, but...

SPEAKER_00: 7:58

I shouldn't say breeds, like attracts.

SPEAKER_02: 8:01

Lots of people have been moving here. Yeah, so, okay. So then the bulk of your work right now is cranial sacral, or is it just like sort of led by how the client presents?

SPEAKER_00: 8:16

So, I mean, honestly, cranial sacral saved my life. So that is my... That's my passion. And I think as that understanding of what it is and as that has evolved for me, especially through having my son and the importance of how important it is for children and babies, it's just been mind blowing for me. And on a quantum level, it's just, it keeps getting more and more fascinating. So I don't know. It's just for me, it's one of those things that I think I'll constantly be shouting from the rooftops. Even if I'm doing other modalities.

SPEAKER_02: 8:49

Yeah. So now you say it saves your life.

SPEAKER_00: 8:54

Yes. Oh, 100%. 100%. Can

SPEAKER_02: 8:57

you elaborate?

SPEAKER_00: 8:59

Yes. So I was 26. And at that time, Gardasil was a shot that you could get up until the time you were 26. And at that point, for whatever reason, that was like the age restriction. So my OBGYN had been talking to me about it for a couple years, just trying to get me, but never really had a real selling point, no real reason. And I wasn't anti, I just was like, I don't see a, I know, so I just didn't, until I had an abnormal pap. And him and his entire team, the nurse, the midwife, they went through an ultrasound, they showed me They went through this whole scene that if I had to keep getting the LEAP procedure, which is what they scheduled for me with the abnormal pap, which for those that don't know what a LEAP procedure is, it is where they take a piece of your cervix in and they send it in to test it for cancer. So they explained to me that if you keep having abnormal paps, you're gonna have to keep having this procedure done and your cervix doesn't grow back. That's not true, but that's what they told me. And that if that has to be happening and I'm in my childbearing years and I wanna have children, that my cervix may have to be tied like a balloon, and that it may not hold the baby. So it would behoove me to get this shot. And I mean, at that point, I was just I'm like, Okay, this picture sounds awful, like, fine, I'll get the you sold me I'm good. So it was a three dose series. And I can't recall feeling anything from the first or second. But to be honest, it was very, like not connected with my body at that point. And I had just been going through a lot of stress. So My nervous system was already in a very chronic fight or flight point. By that third shot though, within two weeks, I was waking up in the middle of the night feeling like somebody had punched me in the stomach. And I now know that was my diaphragm taking a fascial hit. But at that time I thought, oh my God, what's going on with my stomach? And I thought I had an ulcer. I didn't know what was going on. I went to the ER, everything fine. Nothing's fine, though. I was having diarrhea multiple times a day. I couldn't eat anything. I was slowly not being able to even feel like I could work because I felt like I couldn't even sit at work because if something happened, like I had to go right then and there. I'm like, I can't even be at work. Like, I don't feel good. It's just so within two months of going back and forth to hospital, seeing different specialists, I had lost 40 pounds. and I'm not a big person. So I was 140 pounds and I had dropped down to 98 pounds in two months, which was not a great thing, it was awful. And My heart was racing all the time. I wasn't able to sleep. My body hurt. It just it was like one thing after another once I got to a really bad place. And doctors were just like, I don't know, are you stressed? Like if like the somatic, it's, you know, all the things that a lot of people get gaslit to hear. Nobody questioned anything about, you know, did you get any recently? Those connections are not there for Western patients. medicine yet, I don't think. So it took me about four years to make the connections that that shot had anything to do with it. And then prior to that, someone had made a suggestion to me to go try craniosacral therapy. And that first session, I had an emotional release that I was not expecting to have. I didn't know what it was tied to. She didn't know what it was tied to. It didn't matter. My body released whatever that was. And I left there and I had an appetite for the first time in And I was like, OK, there's something to this. So I continued to see her for as long as I could afford to. And I hadn't been working and stuff. And so my body had gotten, I would say, about 70 percent back to normal. I felt like I was able to eat like I could tell I wasn't. fully back, but I felt like I was getting better. And that just changed everything for me. I just at that point knew this is what I wanted to do. It took a while to get fully back to better because I now realize it is just a matter of keeping up with getting that nervous system regulated. And I just hadn't gotten there. It was like I got a taste of it. I saw it was working. I couldn't afford more. And it kept me for a little while. But, you know, I know the difference now of getting a the full thing of what can happen versus, you know, but yeah, it changed my life.

SPEAKER_02: 13:38

And, and is that when you decided to, um,

SPEAKER_00: 13:41

Oh yeah, immediately. Like as soon as I left the first session, I was like, what did you do? Like, not, what did you do? Like you met the magician. Like, what did you do to get to the position you're in and how do I take the steps? And so right then and there, I began my journey of, um, You have to have a license to touch. I went through Upledger. And so at that point you can be like a chiropractor, a PT, an OT, massage therapist. So I went throughout a massage therapy with no interest of massaging. Like that was, I was just a ticket in. And I found that I loved fascia. that I stayed in massage therapy for longer than I meant to. And it was like my body reminded me, my wrists and my fingers and stuff began to remind me that like, hey, remember, we didn't get into this for this. And I still hear it when I work on people now. You don't have to do so much. It's like, that's what I hear. You don't have like, it's literally not We can get into it. But it is literally a quantum effect of what happens. And we do so much as people trying to help. And that's fine. But sometimes we're not. This is the only thing I have found where you're just allowing the body to do. You're allowing it to be competent and observing it to do what it knows how to do, whereas everything else is doing something to the body.

SPEAKER_02: 15:06

Right. Less is more.

SPEAKER_00: 15:07

Yeah. So the body just wants to be witnessed.

SPEAKER_02: 15:12

Right now in Florida, you have to have the massage license, right? Is that? Anywhere.

SPEAKER_00: 15:19

Anywhere. If you're going to go through Upledger. Oh, for

SPEAKER_02: 15:23

cranial. Because in Kentucky, I know that I can do the fascial stretch therapy and I don't have to have a massage license. I do have a massage license. Okay. I think because there were some people... I want to say in Florida, I knew Florida was different. Somebody told me Florida was different. So like, you

SPEAKER_00: 15:42

can't, I'm not really sure

SPEAKER_02: 15:44

cranial without, without

SPEAKER_00: 15:46

somebody said that. Yes. So somebody said that to me too, you know, that you couldn't even do Reiki without having a license to touch. You had to have a massage therapy license. And I don't know what the exact rules of that are, because I know there are a couple of people here who don't have that, who, you know, practice just that. So I don't know. I think in the eyes of Florida, they think it's a massage modality. And I can understand the importance of needing to understand how the fascia works. Like I do get that, you know, but.

SPEAKER_02: 16:18

Yeah, and I know it could, I mean, things change, right? When I heard that it was years ago. Yeah. But I know that here. do cranial you do not have to have a massage license in kentucky that's fantastic that's fantastic not to um stay on the um i guess you tested positive for what hpv is that what it was um yes

SPEAKER_00: 16:42

well was that what it was um no it was just that no it was that i had an abnormal pap and HPV is what the Gardasil shot was supposed to be protecting against, which would be, you know, so like, because it had to do with the whole cervical cancer, they were like, well, this will protect you. I didn't have anything. It was just a preemptive because otherwise they're going to have to keep cutting my cervix till I had nothing left is the image that I was given.

SPEAKER_02: 17:12

Yeah. And that's kind of what they told me too. I don't, I think it was around 2011. I was 33. I don't know how old that was. 33. I don't know. 32. I'm not going to do the math right now, but I had an abnormal pap smear too, which I guess, you know, she said was essentially maybe HPV, maybe not. And they wanted me to undergo the leap procedure. But at that time, I really wanted another baby. And I was like, I'm not going to mess with the integrity of my cervix. And so I opted for... Some intravenous vitamin therapy across the river. I had to go to Indiana for it because they didn't do it here at that time. And some holistic treatment and, you know, the next time it was gone. With that being said, and I'm just putting this out food for thought for our audience because I wonder about it. That is a PCR test. Okay. Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_00: 21:16

There's a girl now and she's just recently decided she's going to get off of Instagram. But if you go to her page, you can learn a whole plethora of information regarding this. I think her page now is cervical wellness. I think that's her handle. But I started following her years ago because she was speaking out about the Gardasil shot and everything because her whole deal was teaching women how they didn't need to believe that HPV was something like this, like you got IVs, and you didn't have it the next time. Most of the time, it goes away on its own, even without that. And that's what she teaches women, because we just don't know. And they make this big fear and hype. And again, because, you know, there's a lot of pushing and all of that. But

SPEAKER_02: 21:57

well, and that, you know, that shot protects what maybe against 400 for strength and there's

SPEAKER_01: 22:04

hundreds.

SPEAKER_02: 22:05

And so it just, again, just the way, I don't know, they push it as a cancer prevention. Right.

SPEAKER_00: 22:14

And it's interesting to me that at the point that it was pushed on me, I had like, it was being for two years, every single time. And I was in the office like all the time for something or another. It was being pushed on me to go in, you know, get the shot, get the shot. If there's a cutoff, it's 20. Now you can be like 60 or you can be like two. like it doesn't seem to matter, you know? And I'm like, yeah, anyhow, but.

SPEAKER_02: 22:37

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And then, yeah. And then I could go down another rabbit hole there. Well, now we just need to get rid of it. So let's just, however we can get rid of it. Right. Yeah. Yeah. Anybody we can. So, so when clients find you, you kind of, I assume intuitively work, they show up, they have a problem and then they, Do you still do massage or that's just sort of a license that you

SPEAKER_00: 23:02

carry? I have to have it. So I just have it for that reason. I love, love massage. But it's not as, it's not as potent at like by any means. And I think that just my higher self just has literally made it where my body is like, we're not here for that. That's not what we're going to do. So as much as I love it, I just, I can't. Anytime I think I'm okay, I suffer for it later in my thumbs and my wrists, and I'm like, okay, I shouldn't have done that.

SPEAKER_02: 23:34

So that connection to the mind-body, right, as you mentioned, that brain-body connection, I'm with you very much so. I went into massage not to go into massage, but I was doing the fascial work first. Yeah. I wanted just to know the body better. And so I continued my education and that was here. I didn't have to travel for it, which made it easy. And, but that was never my intention, but just being in tune to the fact, right. That your thumbs and wrists and some people might just like, eh, just put that over to the side and not think anything of that. I'm a huge believer in metaphysical things. dis-eases in the body and the body's, um, signs, if we're paying attention can guide us really.

SPEAKER_00: 24:34

Yes. A hundred percent. And that's something that, you know, came at, you know, my injury from the Gardasil shot, um, was the ugliest darkest time of my life my recovery from that was just dark and grim my body felt like it was falling apart I literally thought I was dying I didn't have any hope from doctors they were just like I don't know what's wrong with you and I was like well I don't either and I don't know what to do when I at this rate at you know 20 something pounds a month how many more months Can I go? What's gonna be the quality of my life at this point? What is happening? I mean, everything about my life had changed. It was a grieving process. I just wanted to die. It was terrible. The experience of going through that and then being able to see this side of it now is like that black box that I was given was the best, most beautiful black box I could have ever been given. Because through that experience, I was able to learn that body mind connection, that metaphysical, everything, the signs and everything in the body is a communication. No, my body wasn't feeling me was screaming for help. And I was like, Oh, my God, it's failing me, you know, all of that was keeping me even further stuck. And I'm not saying if you're going through any of that, you know, don't go through that. You need to kind of go through that. What was me? What the heck happened? This fricking sucks. You have to, you have to go through that, but I just want to be this little bit of light to remind people that it doesn't have to stay that way. Um, your body is really, really wise. And it's just asking for you to have that remembrance, which is something I think does come online as a result of craniosacral therapy. When that cerebral spinal fluid, which is what we're... So in craniosacral therapy, what we're doing, there's 22 different bones in the skull and in the jaw, and it connects down into your spine and into your sacrum. And your CSF, which is basically your... life force fluid, this is what's nourishing your spine and your brain and informing your nervous system of what state to be in. So even like a fall on your butt, that's traumatic to the body, especially because typically, especially if we're around people, our first instinct is to get up. But the body just went through something really traumatic on the sacrum and the spine and all those nerves and it doesn't, but you told the body get up, so it listens to the command. but that trauma doesn't go away. It stays there. And we typically are like, oh, it's no big deal. We don't set the time aside. We were never taught. So what happens is those things, all those things, emotional trauma, the fascia holds onto it, birth restrictions, et cetera, any type of that can pull on the fascia, can pull on the spine, can pull on the cranial bones. And when the CSF isn't able to flow the way it should, and the fascia is restricted, Your cerebral spinal fluid cannot extend out to your peripheral nerves in the same way. That gives it that calming effect. When that can take place, the body is able to go, oh, I can unwind. I'm safe. I'm seen. I'm heard. I can process and let go. I call it like talk therapy for the body because that is what it feels like. You and I don't have to know what's being said. In fact, I find that to be part of it that can get... And maybe more experienced craniosacral therapists will argue with me on this. And maybe as I get more experienced, I'll understand it differently. But at this point, I think it's part of us trying to understand that is part of the problem. I think we need to step out. We have nothing to do with it as observers, as practitioners. I think we're there literally just to hold the space. And when that life force energy, that CSF can flow through the body, it's like we remember the communication. We remember what our body's saying. We remember everything around us is communicating with us too. Like it's unbelievable the awakening that can come as a result. And when I see it, I saw it in myself and I see it time and time again in my clients, in my adult clients. I mean, obviously my children, their children, it's a different scenario working with them typically for different things. But the adults, it's like they start having boundaries. They start remembering like, oh, I don't have to, I don't have to, A no is a complete sentence. That's right. And like, it's not nasty. It's heart centered. It's like this connects and people remember, oh, I don't want to go to work that nine to five job anymore, because it's killing me. I actually want to go do this. And I don't know what the next step is. But that's okay. I'm going to listen to my body. Like, I don't know how to explain it. But I've seen people make life transformational shifts over and over again. And I saw it in myself. And I really do think that's how I connected with you, actually, was through Dr. Amaro Zapatero, because you did a talk with him. And I did a talk with him last year about the I am-ness of the CSF. Because when he said that, I was like, that's what I'm saying. That's what I feel is what's happening. It's so much more than... the physicality of what we're doing and the trauma, like, yes, all of that is true, but it's so quantum and it's so powerful that it's hard to explain in, you know, what is craniosacral? It's so tough. I'm like, which angle do you want to talk about?

SPEAKER_02: 30:19

Yeah. Yeah. And it's that connection, right. With, with the pineal gland, right. Connecting. Yeah. Right. That's definitely an experience he was having. He felt this like warmth, right? I believe.

SPEAKER_00: 30:32

A hundred percent. And Dr. Joe Dispenza talks about that. It's all about a matter of how the breath can go too. And we can do that through our breath. We haven't been taught how to hold our body properly. Most of us are, I've noticed a lot of us are hypermobile and don't realize it. This is affecting how we're standing. So affecting how our diaphragm can even move. expand and breathe, which is going to affect the flow of the CSF. So yeah, when you can either focus on that breathing or have somebody help you hold that space and get your flow to go, there is an enlightenment experience that happens because you can feel that go up into your, you know, some people are not as sensitive to it, but those that are can feel it right up to your third ventricle of your brain. You can feel the flow of things happening and shifting. And a lot of people don't know, but, um, In 2013, they discovered something called your lymphatic system with a G. And you may have heard of this, but this is essentially where your CSF is bathing your brain when you're sleeping and carrying out toxins and proteins into your lymphatic system. This is huge. they're starting to realize that this could be a contributing factor to neurodegenerative things like dementia and Alzheimer's. So when I deal now with children who have airway difficulties because the palate is growing upwards into the nose instead of outwards, because we have smaller jaws, we've been pulling teeth for generations, our fashion, everything's like, oh, smaller, smaller jaws. Chewing the foods, there's so many factors, orthodontics, the whole thing. But it's affecting their airway. We have a lot of mouth breathing children, dark circles under their eyes, grinding their teeth. I used to think I just loved eating so much that I dreamt of eating because I was like, I can remember as a kid chomping my teeth at night. That was an airway issue. You know, my orthodontist said I was a teeth grinder. You know, I still don't use my tongue properly. This is all affecting how my palate grows. And yeah, I have straight teeth, but I'm still grinding. snoring at night. This is affecting the CSF. And so with our children, if their airway is affected, this is going to affect their brain-body connection at a young age. So yeah, we might be seeing neurodegenerative stuff in our elderly now, but we're starting to see effects of even harder things on the nervous system at a younger age now. Because when they can't breathe, This affects the primitive reflexes, this affects how they can sleep, the oxygen that they're getting to the brain, and it affects how their nervous system copes through life. And nowadays we have so many different chemical toxins, 5G, food, there's so many combative technology, light, things that are affecting the nervous system that most of us just don't even take a second thought to. but our children are extra sensitive to this. And I've noticed that even if just they're nervous, even if we're not dealing with airway issues or any, just the nervous system being able to, that's a whole different tone for these kids because they're not as sensitive to lights and sound and because they're combating so much that we're not even paying attention to, we don't even realize that these reflexes are retained. And this is a big part that I think a lot of us are missing too. And I think that plays into how they're able to breathe. And fascia, the tongue ties. You know about that through fascia.

SPEAKER_02: 34:05

Oh, yeah. Yeah, the tongue ties. And It makes me, well, a couple of things you mentioned. I guess I think about, you know, with it being, first of all, scoliosis awareness, maybe just ask you this question. I was wondering, and we never got to it with Dr. Zapatero, the cranial, how that cerebral spinal fluid, how something like scoliosis, which, you know, is the curvature of the spine, right? Combined with or even not with spinal fusion, how things like titanium screws in the back, how that impacts that flow?

SPEAKER_00: 34:41

Yeah, that's a really great

SPEAKER_02: 34:42

question. I

SPEAKER_00: 34:44

would love to actually get his more scientific. I know, me too. Because he can get like so much more into it. I can just tell you that I have felt things like that and it absolutely affects the flow. But is the body wise and adaptable? I think so. I have seen a change. I have felt a change on people. Does that mean that they go back to the way that they were? Right. I don't know. Yeah. I don't know. But I do think that even if it's not the way it was, when the body begins to feel safe in the new conditions, it can adapt. And it's really just about that bringing safety back. to that experience in that area, what has happened, because I doubt you've had that at 12, like you said, lots of fear, lots of, you know, and then recovery pain, anything you've ever felt, if you ever did anything, you know, you want, I'm sure you wonder, like, you know, what's that doing, you know, just being able to feel safe in your body is a huge thing.

SPEAKER_02: 35:42

Yeah, and I think a lot of people really don't even understand that they are walking around, maybe feeling a little bit less safe than they can truly embrace, Even understand. Or digest.

SPEAKER_00: 35:57

You know, you brought up something so important earlier that I, you know, you were like, oh, like the stuff, these emotions can stay in the cells. And my child went through losing his first tooth in January. I've always known kids to be so excited about losing teeth. Like, I mean, don't get me wrong. As a craniosacral therapist, I always let parents know when teeth come in and when teeth go out. mood shifts, behaviors, all of that can play in because we're dealing with nerves and the cranial bones. Everything's going to move and shift. Okay. So there's that. I knew that I was not expecting what we had. My son went through complete meltdowns over his face shifting. Is all his teeth going to fall out? Um, he was concerned with that. He looked stupid. You know, he was just, this went on for like two weeks and I thought, Oh my goodness. So I ended up having something called emotion code on done on him. And, um, the girl was telling me, you know, the emotions came up as preconception. But when I was reading through them, I'm like, she said, she tested them that she says, but it's possible they could be inherited and not, you know, from a previous life. But it was like, oh my gosh, are these my emotions? And the only reason I even thought about that was because a girlfriend of mine asked me, what was your experience? Did you go to preschool? Did you go to, and I'm like, well, my mom was a single mom at that time. So I had no choice. So, yeah, then I can vividly remember being there in the morning because I can remember the other kids having their bowls of cereal at the table in the kitchen. And I can also remember being there late at night a lot, being the last one to be picked up, it being dark outside, you know. And my dad is now in the picture and he was my stepdad, you know, and he's like, yeah, I mean, there were many times where your mom would end up having to get you late after work and stuff like that. And you were there. And so I'm like, OK, now I remember processing that just fine. But. was I fine? Did I even have the ability? I mean, it's not like I was going to go home and tell my mom about what option did she have? You know what I mean? Like, so did I even know that I felt uncomfortable? I mean, if I needed something, did I feel comfortable enough to tell the people that were there? Did I feel like they cared? Did I feel like I was being heard? You know, it's all of those things, because that's where I spent a lot of my time apparently at that age. And it made me wonder, oh my God, are all these things my son's going through? Because he was having trouble going to school suddenly. It was like, what is happening? And I thought, oh my goodness. So it's that kind of thing that I see often too in children where they're holding on to like fascial emotional patterns that are not even theirs. And that's why I'll have people that are like, oh, well, does it make a difference if they vaccinate, if they don't vaccinate? They could have the most beautiful home birth that they think they're having out in the woods with birds singing and chirping, and it's wonderful for the mom. It's still going to be somewhat traumatic for that baby, even in that case. Now, I'm not saying that that baby automatically has restrictions, but I'll let you know that I deal with babies that have those beautiful home births and babies that get all the other things, and they're both restricted. So it's not like, oh, this is causing it. To me, this is more of an epigenetic factor. And it doesn't, it's not like, this is showing up as I see it as fascia is holding onto emotions that your generation, your parents' generation, your grandparent haven't processed. And as that continues to not be defragmented, It's like the fascia is learning, especially in the mother's womb, how to, this is how it appears to me, how to design itself and its design is tension until somebody notices it because that's how nature is going to be. It's going to get worse until we see it, recognize it and make a change on it. But I do think we're getting to that point now where we're seeing you know, the changes that can be made in the mind-body connection.

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Yeah. Like you mentioned, you know, your memories as a young child, I think about, well, like my significant other coming home as a latchkey kid, what you grow to be as normal, right? Or what feels normal to you. What kinds of feelings, like you said, you think you're processing. Right. And we have, you know, right now I'm 47, but like that was the first generation of latchkey kids. And you kind of see it in, oh, what's the most recent little sitcom? It's down in Texas. Oh, my goodness. My perimenopause. I'm not a big TV watcher, but Young Sheldon. Oh, yeah. If you watch that, you see what takes place in our generations like childhood. Parents are both at work. They're coming home alone. And we have no idea how long term that's going to impact every generation moving forward. Right, right, right. And again, I too believe that if what goes unhealed or unwitnessed will

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perpetuate.

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Yeah. It

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just wants to be seen and heard. That's all.

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Yeah. Now, are you familiar with miasms?

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A little bit, you know, so I do know that because I have a frequency, a bioresonance frequency and the feedback actually goes over miasms that are, you know, stored. And so that's been an interesting thing too, with an epigenetic factor of that.

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Yeah, and that's the thing as well. I mean, they kind of talk about certain miasms. You're going to see certain, like I want to say the syphilis miasm is connected to mental illness and schizophrenia. And then you have the tuberculosis miasm, which I had never heard of miasms until I went to see a biofeedback practitioner here who's also a nurse. And she left nursing. But she was telling me that tuberculosis... I forget all of the details, but that it can live in the spine and cause a spinal deformity. Yeah. And it's not isolated just to the lungs. And that's why she's like, you know, they claim it's idiopathic for unknown reason, but energetically speaking, when you look back, you know, my great aunt, my grandmother, not my grandmother, my great aunt and my mother both have scoliosis. My great grandfather died of tuberculosis at 42 in the, in the, in the sanatorium here. So he would go away and then come back and go away and come back to the, you know, to Waverly. And I think, you know, he'd come back. She said they would inundate them with heavy, heavy doses of penicillin. So he'd come home. He'd breathe that. Something about mold. I don't know. But I was like, my gosh, like to me, I felt it in my bones. Like, okay, this is, this is a deal.

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Yeah.

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Yeah. I don't

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believe in idiopathic necessarily. This is just something that's placed.

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And they just don't understand yet.

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Yeah. And the emotions of, you know, him having left and my grandmother having left Germany, come over on a boat by themselves, you know, whatever, and leaving a lot of family behind like this is, you know.

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It's all the stuff that leads to the susceptibility. And that's what I have realized when people are like, oh, well, like, I think some people had a hard time for the longest believing that vaccine injury could exist because, you you know, well, like, why doesn't it happen more often? Well, you know, I mean, I could get stung by a bee and Joe could get stung by a bee and Joe could have a complete reaction and I could have nothing wrong. Same thing with peanut butter and ant bites and mosquito bites. You know, it's like we're made differently. And I know most of us can handle all of this stuff. But what I have noticed is it's really a matter of the person's nervous system threshold or probably even the state of their fascia, which kind of one and the same. Because what, I don't know if you follow functional patterns or not or know anything about it because of the fascial work that you do, but functional patterns, they're basically focused on helping people use their body correctly. So using the muscles the way that they're meant to, and they help people who have scoliosis all the time, because to them, scoliosis is not idiopathic. Now, granted, like you said, there's absolutely other reasons that it could be pulling the fascia out of alignment. But what they do is teach the body how to pull back into alignment and reuse the muscles the correct way. And it is amazing to see that because for so long, I mean, same thing with craniosacral, we'll have people I mean, I People were told torticollis was something that they just had to deal with. That's not something they have to deal with. That's now something we realize if we can handle at the time of infancy, we can correct right away. And it makes a huge difference on how the rest of their body is responding. Because if this is tight, everything else is tight. Their digestion is probably off, their sleep, you know, discomfort. They can't express that to you. Yeah. Yeah, I went off on a tangent there. Yeah, my daughter had

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torticollis. And I don't know if we saw a cranial sacral therapist. I've definitely been to multiple cranial sacral. I mean, we did later, you know, but when I look like, okay, she had the torticollis, her latch wasn't correct. Like it never sounded correct when we got it, but it took longer than she had a mild lisp. So I'm like, okay, what's she seem like? Oh, but her tongue wasn't tied, but you know, all these things. But when you look back and I had the perfect home birth, you know, and sometimes I also think that, you know, we incarnate as a soul that no matter how many like good things are surrounding our

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intention. We're still going to go through our experiences. Yeah.

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Yeah. And it's an individual journey for the evolution and growth of our soul. I mean, that's what I deeply believe. And that, yeah, I know you were talking about like mouth restriction, like the breathing restrictions. And I think a lot of us don't know how to breathe. And it's something I have read so much about in the last few years. And it's, and, and, integral part of the Schroth scoliosis physical therapy modality. And even having taught yoga, you know, I thought I was breathing. And this guy's like, no, you're not. You know what I mean? Like you see who you are and then you realize, oh, I'm not.

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It's funny you say that because for years, you know, obviously I didn't do yoga. Like I would do yoga and, you know, teach you to breathe through your belly and that's all real good. But we forget that the diaphragm is a parachute and we also need to breathe through our back. So lately I've been doing Pilates with, you know, an instructor one-on-one because Pilates I realize if I go to a class, I'm not going to be doing the right muscle. I just know it. There are so many times, even several months now, that I'm doing one-on-one that my instructor's like, oh, close your rib cage, breathe into your... I'm having to retrain my brain to use the correct muscles because for the longest time, I've been using accessory muscles to do things that primary muscles should be doing. And this is why... Fascia is also getting restricted. This is why emotions can hide in these spots. And I realized when people are laying on my table, not a single person is breathing properly. Most people's pelvis are not even in the position where they're diaphragm can even expand properly. So I mean, it just shows me this general dysfunction. And again, leading back to infants and tongue ties, and it's not just tongue ties, it could be buccal ties on the sides, like my son has that we're going to have to deal with that now, because I didn't know about that when he was a baby, even as much as I loved craniosacral had no clue at that point, how amazing it would have been in our latching issue journey, our breastfeeding journey, his colic issues, you know, all of that was signs of restrictions in his fascia that craniosacral could have easily helped with. I didn't know how important it was to get the tongue tie released, but, you know, I figured we didn't do all the other things, so I'm not going to do this. No big deal. I'll just exclusively pump and be in, you know, misery for seven months. It's fine. It was not... it wasn't the best solution for anybody. When I look at that now, it was absolutely the best idea to go and get that handled. Even if all we tried was body work first, we didn't necessarily have to go, you know, and do, um, the thing if we didn't want to do that right away. But sometimes that is the best way. And I will say most people will think that if, Oh, I got a tongue tie redone, but he's still restricted. If you don't do body work, AKA craniosacral along with having the stuff, um, sniffed, the scar tissue is going to form. Um, you're going to have restrictions again. And a lot of people don't realize that the tongue is attached to a main fascial line that goes down the front of your body, down to your toes. So if the tongue is tied, I mean, it ties up a lot when it comes to digestion. And this can affect even how primitive reflexes begin to integrate and whether or not, you know, CDC took out crawling from a milestone like that. That's a huge deal. You know, I would not have known that prior to what I do, though. So I'm not saying this like, oh, you know, everyone should think that crawling is a big deal. It's a big deal. I understand this from a brain body connection standpoint because of what I do now. And because if I understand there's restrictions in the body, if they're not going through that step, if they're just going straight to walking, it's because the body is going to go the path of least of resistance. Not meant to do that, though. Even humans now as adults, we would benefit in our brains to get down and crawl the right way. So it's just not, I would have just been like, oh, my baby is so advanced. So I just, I mentioned that because it is an important step. If your child is having latching issues, breathing issues, if you notice their mouth breathing, if they have dark circles under their eyes, you want spaces in between their baby teeth. If their teeth don't have spaces, that's also indicative of crowding. Because once those bigger teeth come in, they're going to have nowhere to go. Everything's going to go up further into the nose. And I wish I had my little skull guy with me, but he's in my office to show you. But the roof of the mouth is the floor of the nose. So if you take your tongue right now and were to just like do a rainbow across the roof of your mouth and you feel like some people can really, oh wow, that's like real, that's real high. Well, that's affecting your airway. So a lot of times when people have, you know, we have kids doing sleep studies now, a lot of times they're not having sleep apnea and needing a CPAP machine per se. They need their facial bones while they're still growing to be helped to be restructured. And sometimes that means going through an expansion or having, you know, some type of myofunctional therapy. Usually it's a combination of all of it. It doesn't always have to be that way, but it's not something that they just grow out of. And that's something I want to express to parents. They don't, it doesn't just go away. It only continues to become more of a, of a thing that their body will adapt because the body is amazing. But at what compensation level?

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Yeah. So I think of a couple of things. I think about the number of cesareans and the importance of the baby skull going through the vaginal canal. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Right. And then I think about all the kids who are having all of this mouthwork like my daughter had to have. Oh, my goodness. Expander. Yeah, I think so. But my sister had one where she was like screwing this key. And my daughter had one. And I think, you know, could that be avoided? Have we done more cranial sacral therapy?

SPEAKER_00: 57:32

Possibly. But, you know, regardless, it's not like you do that and you don't get any benefits. It's just that it could possibly also, you know, relieve having to do that. But yeah.

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Yeah.

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You know, and how that could impact kids. And then, you know, just the dental work, right? Yeah, it's

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just pulling teeth, right? We're just a lot of pulling teeth. And that's only going to make the jaws go, Oh, okay, let's shrink up. You know, even us as adults having our wisdom teeth removed, you know, and a lot of people have permanent retainers, too. I always ask people in my intake, have you had orthodontic work, you know, if they're adults, have you had orthodontic work done? And do you have a permanent retainer? And most people don't realize that that permanent retainer is restricting their entire cranial system.

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Yeah, my daughter has one and she will not let it go because I was just, you know, reading about that the other day. And I'm sure I'm supposed to have my retainer too, from, you know, whenever it was, and I don't. But people

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I just told the dentist last week when they were mentioning to me about possibly getting some Invisalign or something, or a retainer, sorry, a retainer for my teeth grinding. for strictly that purpose. And I expressed to him, I said, just because of what I do, my, my thought process of restricting my teeth, just for the sake of my teeth, not, not hitting each other because I, I still have to deal with this teeth grinding thing now because I didn't fix it as a child. Right. And now he's like, Oh, your, your canines are rubbing. And if we don't, deal with that at some point you may have to get a crown right so it's like now it's at that point because it doesn't just go away um and so he was expressing to me i might need a retainer just to keep that from grinding and i told him i said a retainer is going to restrict everything in my system and if my teeth need to shift and they can't it's going to show up in other places in my body so i just know far too well that that's not the route i'm going to go especially if the only reason i'm doing it is to keep my teeth from grinding i'd rather Right. Right. Yeah. Like maybe that is something we need to be thinking about. Like maybe it's not just a matter of looking good and not having the teeth hit each other. Like we have to look at the full functionality of the body. The teeth are connected to everything, even nerve wise and meridians.

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Well, and you've got that trigeminal nerve. Did you ever, I know we talked about the handle. Did you ever look that up? Which one? The Handle Institute.

SPEAKER_00: 1:00:13

Oh, my gosh. No, no. Thank you for reminding me.

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Well, definitely look that up because when you were talking about, you know, what was it, the crawling, that was one of the places. And my mom taught early childhood music and she always talked about how important it was for the cross pattern crawl. And my daughter did not. She didn't. She scooted.

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Yeah, yeah.

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She kind of looked like Lieutenant Dan from Forrest Gump. That's what people would say. There's your Lieutenant Dan. And it's cute. Yeah, but she's also, you know, through Handel learned that she's cross-dominant. So she's right-handed, left-eyed, right? So there's more work for her brain. She's got to cross, right? And then very artistic, but academics have been challenging. Math is challenging.

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That makes so much sense.

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Yeah. Yeah. slow to process. Um, but one of the things I also learned there is, right, you've got these tiny little muscles around the eye and there's a big, there's an activity with, um, tapping on the trigeminal. Um, but that, you know, these tiny little muscles, if you, um, are nursing, right, a baby's nursing, the nipple hits the roof of the mouth, right at the midline, muscles here, right here along the eye start to develop, which are, um, Important for convergence and divergence, right? For folks tracking, for being able to isolate one, right? So what you can find is when these go, when there hasn't been enough sucking,

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there hasn't

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been that stimulation with the nipple on the roof because some of these nipples, I think they've changed on bottles and such. All this stuff is taking place and if they don't get enough

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of it, And, you know, people don't even think about how much that's going to affect like when they're in school and they can't see the things on the board and they're stressed out. They can't keep up.

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Yeah.

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How much that is affecting their fight or flight and the patterns that are beginning to form in their body of who they are, what they're worth. And it has nothing to do with their worth, but that's what boils down to. And these are the things that are patterns that you see in adults that are living lives that are not, in the most alignment, right? Because that has been diminished from little things like this, where we just didn't realize how important, like you just said, that cross body for just brain body connection, which just it's so important.

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Yeah.

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I know you have a hard cut off at 1210. So I'm just reminding you of the

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time. Yeah, I know. I know that one of the other signs that they said of a body in distress is red ears because the vagus nerve innervates all the way down. And so you can even look around, even in adults, if they've got red ears, I mean, unless they're an alcoholic, I guess. But you know, like their body, well, and that could be potentially why, right? The stress of, that you could see this, especially in little kids. If they're in a classroom and they have red ears they're either overwhelmed, something is going on, they can't attend. And then what are we doing? I know, I digress. We're labeling them ADD, we're labeling the ADHD, labeling them whatever. And in reality, poor little nervous system is on overload.

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100%. And you know, and it's not to say that there isn't still those things. But there's a lot of just I think bunching and, and, and medicating, I think is the biggest thing. I don't care about the label. It's mostly the medication for things that are not tending to what's actually going on because it's just lack of knowledge. Right. So I think that's my biggest thing is just trying to get that awareness out there for this next generation. And our kids are kind of making us, you know, They're kind of making us have to look at it, which is exactly the point of nature.

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Yeah, I agree. And if you've listened to those telepathy tapes at all, have you listened to those?

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A hundred percent.

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Yep. I mean, I definitely think they are trying to illuminate something for the rest of us. I think that's definitely, if you haven't listened to them, I definitely think it's an incredible listen. So you see people virtually and in person. I do. Yeah. I do. And then how can people find you?

SPEAKER_00: 1:04:29

You can find me on Instagram at the holistic alchemist. Actually, I think it's just holistic underscore alchemist. And on my website, holistic alchemy.com.

SPEAKER_02: 1:04:44

Okay. Holistic alchemy.com. All that will be in the show notes. And then is there anything that you really want to share with the audience that you think they have to know?

SPEAKER_00: 1:04:57

I think the biggest thing is that we feel we have to outsource and don't get me wrong. It's really important that we do have somebody else hold space for us. Like think of it like when you're a child and you like walk away and then like someone notices you're sad and then you can't even help when they sit next to you that you're just like a puddle. We need that observation effect. I mean, I don't know if you've ever seen that Emoto study with the rice and the one that was ignored is like the worst one. Plants are the same way. Like people are kids.

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Like,

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we need to be able to acknowledge what we're going through and we don't even have to know what that is. We just have to be able to sit with it. And I think that's the biggest thing. We can do that for ourselves and we can literally just put our hands on our body wherever we're feeling uncomfortable and just tell ourselves that we love, like, I love you. I love you. And I know that that sounds so simple and like how, but, You are literally communicating with your body, and when your body feels that you're communicating love instead of judgment, like, what's wrong with you? What are you doing? I hate the way you look. You're failing me. All the things that we think, if we can just reword those things, the body's like, oh, my gosh, I'm being seen. I'm being heard. I can do this.

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Yeah. And then, you know, like you said, you mentioned him and I think about the water. I was just listening to Alex Zach and fourth phase water and, you know, yeah, with the water and infusing that water with even those same messages and how important it is for our fascia.

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And they're even seeing that with homeopathic, you know, homeopathics are not a placebo. They have a frequency of that plant. But the thing is, is that, Our intention, and this is why the quantum aspect, and I realized one day it didn't have to be in person. And sometimes my being in person with some people is not the best option because their body is the most dense layer I'm having to get through to get to the things that are really storing the thing. Because yes, the fascia is storing it, but what's storing it? The energy. And that's something I don't need to be right next to. That's something that intention has everything to do with. So when the intention of having the medication you need in your water, Imagine if everybody understood that and you really believed that there have been, you know, people that have been able to, to make that work. And even if it's placebo effect, cool, cool. We are that awesome. You know what I mean? Like, I just feel that we need to tap into more of the, uh, more of what we have at our fingertips, more of what we are, what we're capable of. I think that everything that's out there technology wise is really just a copy off of what we're already capable of doing. And I think the telepathy tapes is one of the ways that we can see that. You know, they don't, Wi-Fi can't go through walls. Right. Yeah, that's what's crazy to me. It's like Wi-Fi can't go through walls. They still haven't been able to. to catch up to what we are, the quantum computers.

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Yeah.

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We have everything.

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But people can believe Wi-Fi and use it, but then some really have a hard time with this other element. Right.

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I mentioned that to people. I know. I'm like, if your internet is down and you call the cable company, they ping your Wi-Fi from their corporate office and it works. Or if we're on a Zoom call, you're in Kentucky, this is an IP. I don't know how this works, but here we are. I know it works. I don't know how this electricity in my house works, but I know that I flip the switch and the lights come on. I mean, Bob Proctor talked about that years ago in The Secret. He's like, I don't understand how this energy works. It's all the same difference. It's just that when you understand that there is this quantum web here and we just have to tap in. Right. everything changes.

SPEAKER_02: 1:08:53

Yeah. So much more powerful than we, we believe. And I think that that's really where the shift has to take place.

SPEAKER_00: 1:08:59

Yeah. Yeah. A hundred percent. We do not have to outsource. We have everything we need. We just have to remember.

SPEAKER_02: 1:09:06

Yeah. Well, thank you so much, Holly, for joining me. Thanks

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for having me. I'm so glad we finally got to do this. I

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know. I'm sure we could keep going, but we'll, we'll, we'll conclude for now and look forward to seeing you out on the gram.

SPEAKER_00: 1:09:20

Yeah, same here. All right. Have a great day. All right. You too. Okay. Bye-bye.