How Can You Optimize Life with Multiple Sclerosis? ~ Matthew Price Shares His Daily "Blueprint" ~

In this episode, Matthew and I dive into a day in his life.  He shares his lifestyle choices, specific food selections, supplement routine, use of phototherapy patches, exercise regimen, and the various healing modalities he's incorporating to not just manage -- but truly thrive -- while living with multiple sclerosis. 

Matthew and Rebecca Price are the founders of Modified by MS and have been married 34 years. They are known as teachers and mentors in the market place as well as ordained pastors. 

 After being diagnosed with MS in 2004 Matthew began his journey to fight back with HSCT, as well as modifying his diet, exercise and his daily routine. 

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Matthew and Rebecca live in middle Tennessee with their adult children and 6 grands. 

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Transcript

SPEAKER_01: 1:20

Welcome back to today's episode of Unapologetic Living. I'm excited to have Matthew Price again. He and his wife, Rebecca, are the founders of Modified by MS, which you will, if you haven't caught the previous episode, which where he and I dive into the birth... and the founding of Modified by MS, Multiple Sclerosis, if you haven't had a chance to listen to that. But in this one, and sort of like he and I could have talked for hours the last time, but I wanted to dig into in this conversation, sort of, I know one of the things you and I talked about last time was that self-care time in the mornings. And then just some different modalities or supplements or dietary and lifestyle changes that have been beneficial for you. Because I know that my significant other, when we, you know, have seen the doctors have had very little, if any insight into making lifestyle changes and almost, they were almost unsupportive with it at all. And, and, You know, when you look on social media and you find various support groups for whatever condition one might be, disease one might have, oftentimes you find that making those lifestyle changes have been the most beneficial. Right. You know?

SPEAKER_03: 2:59

Right.

SPEAKER_01: 3:01

So so I know those two hours, which may I know like self-care is so important and I might have to put a dog out. Fine. It's so incredibly important. Just it's the whole putting our oxygen mask on first. Right. We can show it better. Right. You can show it better. to help others with multiple sclerosis and to perform better with and help the growth of modified biomass, right? If you are at your best versus if you're moving through life half-assed, it's not going to be the same.

SPEAKER_00: 3:39

Exactly. And I love the analogy that you just provided, Elizabeth, about putting your oxygen mask on first, because I just love that analogy. It makes sense.

SPEAKER_01: 3:50

Yeah, because I know sometimes, well, that's, you know, you might get or, oh, that sounds so selfish. But in the end, when you have more energy. You know, you can use the time that you do have after that two hours more efficiently and effectively than it isn't at that. So what did those first two hours, like what does a day in the life of you look like? And we can just kind of start with those first two hours. And then I definitely am interested in what lifestyle changes or even food choices that you are making today that you have been imperative for your overall wellness.

UNKNOWN: 4:31

Right.

SPEAKER_00: 4:32

Well, you know, many of the things that I'm going to share now are things that I'll share on an individual basis with people and even our groups. And I'm a big believer in you invest in what pays dividends and kind of goes back to your comment in your analogy, putting your mask on first. And I'm going to invest into myself because when it comes down to it, that is going to pay dividends. And again, with all due respect, my doctor is not going to say, hey, Matthew, are you eating correctly? I'm not going to, my physical therapist is not going to want you to call me and say, hey, Matthew, are you doing your daily workouts? My, you know, and the doctors. And again, even my family is not going to say, hey, dad or husband, are you doing, are you working out? Are you doing this? And things like that. So that onus is on to me. And I have a, you know, my motto has, you know, there's quite a few mottos that I have. And that is one of those that I'm going to invest into what pays dividends. And if I invest into myself, that's going to make me a better husband, a better father and a better poppy, not only from a mental side, but also from a physical side. So I'm a big advocate for that. And when when when you say, how does your day start? It actually starts the day or the night of the evening before, you know, because I'm very I'm very focused on those different modalities. As you mentioned, I believe in sleep. I believe in sleep hygiene, you know. I'm also to the point, and let me just put this in there as a little insertion, is the fact that I'm also going to live life. I'm not going to miss out on life moments, whether it's with my wife or with my kids or with my grandbabies. We'll get to that in a moment. But So I'm very, you know, we actually have certain things set up in our home. So, for example, at every evening at 930, we have our Alexa who says, you know, it's time for night night. It's kind of a funny thing, but it says, Matthew, Rebecca, it's time for night night. And it's just kind of a shot over the bow and say, OK. if you're, you know, if we may be watching TV or something like that, that's just kind of a, you know, we have alarms to wake up, right? So why not have alarm to, you know, get the proper sleep? Because, you know, by the time we go upstairs, brush teeth, you know, those types of things, it could be put the dogs out, feed them water, whatever that looks like. It could be another 30 minutes. So 9.30 turns into 10 and 10 turns into 10.30. So if we're on a call or if we happen to be binge watching a television show, it's like, okay, All right. I've got, you know, one more, I've got five minutes, I've got 20 minutes or something like that. So saying that I do focus, you know, I want to make sure that I say to myself, like, Hey, it kind of starts in the evening before, um, there's times where, uh, my wife and I will, you know, stay up late. We're watching, you know, different show, a different binge watching show. And we're like, Oh my gosh, it's like 12 o'clock. And we're like, okay, what are we going to feel like in the morning? But that's, that's, uh, obviously a very extra Kruger thing. That's not a normal thing. And we do keep a very, uh, set sleep hygiene and things like that. Uh, turn off certain electronic devices, no blue light, um, you know, keeping cool temperature, all those things that you can read about very easily. Um, in my mornings specifically, um, you know, I wake up, um, between six 30, seven 30 in the morning, um, you know, um, and then I will instantly, you know, I drink obviously a water, some water, you know, cause we're waking up or obviously a bit dehydrated. I stopped all, um, let me back up to the night before I stopped all consumption of food and beverage typically by 7 PM because I want to sleep through the night. And I'm also at an age, including with multiple sclerosis. I don't want to be up three, four, five, six different times in the middle of the night, um, going to the restroom and things like that, because that will mess my sleep up. Um, so that has has worked out very successfully for me. The, you know, I'll wake up, I'll have my water and, you know, I may or may not have electrolytes following that. I have been eating an apple every morning, Elizabeth, probably for the last 16 plus years. I do one apple in the morning. I may have an apple in the afternoon because I have that apple and it's like, you know, it wakes me up. There's actually, it has more of a, what I call wake up power than a cup of coffee. And so I'm having that, I'm doing my supplements and we can talk about the various supplements I do. And again, they work for me. I'm not suggesting for half a second that these supplements are going to be for everyone. It just happens to be working for me. And I've added additional supplements and other different supplementation things into my lifestyle over the last, especially over the last six years and even over the last few months that has made a big difference, marked differences as well. Um, Then I'll get up and, you know, I do like my quiet time in the morning, a little bit of a relaxed time. And then, you know, I'm getting up and getting dressed or shower and having my one, one eight ounce cup of coffee with no sweetener, any of those types of things. I do have a little bit of a treat. I put some sugar-free salted caramel in there. I know that's more specific than anyone who wants to know, but I kind of like it. It's my, my morning treat. And I'm doing my exercise. And that exercise regimen is different each day. I do legs once or twice a week, different portion of my legs and focus on my core on a daily basis. I never not do anything for upper body and core exercises on a daily basis. And typically, you know, during that time, I'm listening to music. music. I also during that time, I have my own individual prayer time, potentially meditation, even today, as an example, the sun is out nice and bright. And I went outside for about 15 minutes when the sun was glowing. And I needed good 15 minutes of what I call 100% vitamin D. And so when I was out there, I just turned on my meditation app and just listened to that, relaxed a little bit before I got into my day and stuff like that. So that's just kind of a very quick overview on some of those things that I'm doing.

SPEAKER_01: 13:57

So, okay. So what I hear is sleep hygiene and quality sleep, which begins the night before. I remember I was in a yoga teacher training, I believe. And this gal... Interestingly said, tell me what you do on a Friday night and I'll tell you about the rest of your weekend. And. I was like, yeah, like how if I mean, and if you think about it. Yeah. You know, your Friday night, if you're out at the bar is going to set you up for the whole weekend.

SPEAKER_03: 14:29

Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 14:30

Yeah. Yeah. Right. I mean, I quit drinking two and a half years ago and but and not for any real particular reason other than that. That last time I had a couple of drinks, I was like, gosh, I could just feel better today if I hadn't had those two two beers last night at that wedding.

SPEAKER_03: 14:45

Right. Right.

SPEAKER_01: 14:47

And but, you know, if you go out Friday night and then you wake up groggy Saturday, then you're probably not you don't have the same energy level that you would have had you not. And then you might miss a workout or you might be in bed at 10 o'clock or who knows what else might, you know, the chores might not get done.

SPEAKER_03: 15:04

Right.

SPEAKER_01: 15:05

And the whole weekend you're behind. And then, you know, anyway, but I thought it

SPEAKER_03: 15:09

was

SPEAKER_01: 15:09

interesting that she said that. So, you know, definitely. It makes sense. Yeah, it does. It makes sense. And so the night totally

SPEAKER_03: 15:15

makes sense.

SPEAKER_01: 15:16

And the alarm, you know, sort of that wind down alert can be helpful because you're absolutely right. 9.30 turns into 10, 10 into 30. Or we do a lot of jigsaw puzzles. Okay. And I'll start like, you know, it's like you're kind of on a roll with pieces.

SPEAKER_02: 15:37

Right.

SPEAKER_01: 15:38

And you're like, oh, I just want to find this one piece to this building. Right. And that turns into, oh my gosh, we've almost got the whole building finished. And now we're almost in the next building next to it because we just did this 2000 piecer. And I'm like, all

SPEAKER_03: 15:53

right,

SPEAKER_01: 15:54

I'm ready for bed. I'm ready for bed, you know, but it can just kind of drag on. And then the next day is not, you know, maybe you're dragging in the morning.

SPEAKER_00: 16:05

Because the puzzle won't be there. the next day. Yeah, not at

SPEAKER_01: 16:09

all. I mean,

SPEAKER_00: 16:11

but like you say, we get so used to, and we're so just ingrained, like, okay, I got to get it done and get it to get done. I want, you know, it's the sense of completion and things like that. But I think that's what, you know, a very good point, Elizabeth is the fact that that sense of completion, you know, I can't be a hundred percent if I'm cheating myself on some things. Um, And again, I have to be very conscious that if I, because, you know, we still have those alarm clock in our body, you know, I'm still going to wake up at between 630 and 730 in the morning. It doesn't matter if I happen to go to sleep at midnight. It doesn't matter if I happen to go to sleep at one in the morning, my body's still going to be waking up at that time, but I'm going to feel very sluggish and, you know, and things like that. And then like we talked about, you add into, if I defer, if I deter or defer, uh, a detour, excuse me, from my diet that I typically do, oh, I'll be a mess without a question. And I've had a couple of those, not more than a couple, I've had more than those cheats. And I'm like, okay, you know, it just happened the other night. And we, it was on one evening, And Rebecca and I actually stayed up a little later than normal. And but she made a wonderful dinner. It was a salad, a chicken. It was just it was just great. And I didn't do any, you know, sometimes about 830, nine o'clock. I'm like, man, I'm hungry. I'm like, really? I'm like hungry. I've got these, you know, I've got the munchies. And it really takes a bit of a discipline to say, I'm not going to do something and keep know eat it because you know metabolism has you know really slowed down greatly in the evening and so if i do something if it could be ice cream you know ice cream or popcorn or any of those types of things and then when you wake up and you're like why am i feeling really inflamed, um, as an example and individuals who have autoimmune diseases like myself, I've realized that I feel it so much more, especially being diagnosed for over 20 years that, um, that I feel it so much more. And it could also be between my age, I'll be 57 in a couple of weeks, you know, so now I'm not just that 36 year old guy that was diagnosed with MS. Now I'm a 50, almost 57 year old guy that's been diagnosed with MS. And so is it MS or is it because I'm older or is that a combination of both? And I think it's probably obviously a combination of both. So yeah, it definitely makes sense. And to, you know, that regimen starts in the evening. And, but like I said, initially, there's times where I'm like, you know what, if my grand babies are here, like they were here last week and they were here for a few days, And I deferred my diet a little bit. And they're like, Poppy, we're going to have a hot dog. You want one? I'm like, I'll have a hot dog. I typically don't do that. Or if it's a birthday, and I'm not going to miss out having a cupcake for my grandbabies. I'll have to modify what that looks like. Cheesecake, as an example, is my kryptonite. If you put cheesecake in front of me, it's gone. I can guarantee you, it doesn't matter what kind it is. But yeah, it's just... It, again, goes back to I'm investing in what pays dividends. And I know if I don't continue doing that, I know I'm going to pay the price, whatever that could be. It could be a small one or it could be a big. But I agree what you said. I don't want to miss out on something. So I almost feel like it to the point where I feel guilty if I don't exercise on a daily, whatever that looks like. Yeah. you know, I can cheat a little bit with my nutrition and diet and things like that. And I know how to work with that. But if I deviate a bit from my exercise, if I do it, if I miss it a couple of days, I'm already, I feel like I'm, I have to start at day number one again.

SPEAKER_01: 20:12

Yeah. So you mentioned, I wanted to ask you that. You mentioned you never skip a core day.

SPEAKER_03: 20:19

Correct.

SPEAKER_01: 20:19

And upper body, I believe you said. Correct. You do legs a couple times a week. So when you say that, is that weights? Is that Pilates? Is it a combination?

SPEAKER_00: 20:33

Yeah, it's kind of a combination. Most of it is more stretch band because I can add the resistance with, you know, the wrist resistance bands and things like that. On, you know, I've been going to PT for some time. So many of the PT exercises, and it's neuro PT, he's been fantastic. He's always said, remember, I'm your trainer, I'm your coach. You can look at me as a physical therapist, but I'm your coach. And so I hear that in the back of my voice and he'll give me certain tips when I'm there, you know, pointers and, you know, small modifications and things like that. But I will do legs typically, you know, I span them out because I'll do X amount of squats on, you know, that particular day. And then for the rest of the day, I'm like, ouch, you know, it doesn't, it doesn't matter how often, uh, cause I won't do late, you know, he, Again, I won't do leg day every day. It's, it's, it's, there's no way. But there's other things I will do. So squats, I typically do that once a week, sometimes twice a week, but I put some days in there for healing and, and things like that for muscle healing and so on and so forth. But there are certain things that, yes, I do do on a daily basis. As an example, planking, I will not miss a day of planking. whether that's a few minutes, 10 minutes, whatever the case may be. I may break it. I always have a goal. I want to at least plank six minutes a day, a minimum of six minutes a day. Now I may break that up. I may do in my morning. I may knock that out for two minutes. And as I'm here in my office, I'm like, all right, I'm just going to get down to the floor and do my other two to three minutes. So in the evening before I go to bed, I may do another two to three minutes and things like that. Regardless, I'm still getting in. So if I breaking it down, it's not, you know, I'm not, burying myself with doing that for more than six minutes or something like that, because it can wear on you.

SPEAKER_01: 22:33

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I know discipline, I think, is key. And yeah, the exercise, the movement piece for me, which I don't want to place that on everyone, but I know as a fascial stretch therapist, the importance of our body is designed to move. And we really need about the 10,000 steps a day, six to 10 miles of locomotive movement every day in order to truly lubricate and hydrate and nourish that connective tissue. And so for me, movement is something that, you know, I definitely also put way up there and not because, um, to maintain a weight, not because of that, just because I know how important it is for the mind, the body, and the spirit. I mean, the brain, right? We know kids learn better when there is movement included. And so, yeah, movement for me also is up there. And I also am not going to completely miss out on life either. Yeah, it would be difficult. When those grandbabies come, which might be, you know, in the next two or three years for me, I can promise you I'll be having one when this wedding is in, you know, three weeks. I'm going to, you know, enjoy the goodies that I'm, you know,

SPEAKER_00: 23:59

providing. Absolutely. Yeah, of course. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 24:04

So, You mentioned an apple, and I know for us, food has always been a really important one for me as well, and quality of the products that we buy, eating a lot of whole and real foods and less and less processed foods. I mean, I would be lying if I said we never buy anything processed.

SPEAKER_00: 24:26

Right. It's unfortunately, as we know, and I think we touched on this last time, We're in a broken food supply system, especially in this country. I don't think we ever, all of us, I'm making a general comment, for those of us who are really focused on that, did we ever think it was going to be almost a full-time job to buy the right products and buy the right foods? When you go into a grocery store, it's overwhelming with the amount of products. And it's very overwhelming with the, oh, it's organic. It's not really organic. And everyone loves using that. It's organic. And but you have to dig a little deeper. You have to look at the labels. You have to. So not only, you know, the actual work, but there's a lot of time that's invested into finding those particular products. And, you know, I've said to my wife and I said, you know, she'll make a particular dinner. And I'm like, baby, I can eat this every day for the rest of my life, seven days a week. And she goes, yeah, you'd be tired of about three or four days. And I said, you're probably right. But. You know, for example, the other night when she made the salad with the chicken and, you know, had the wonderful dressing and, you know, had other, you know, raisins and other wonderful things on it. I woke up the next morning feeling phenomenal. And, you know, I had one of my best workouts I've had in such a long time. And then the next day, the other, yeah, it was Monday, Tuesday night. We had a very late Zoom. And then we had another Zoom after that. And we ended up having just a chicken sandwich with bread. And there might have been some fries on there. And the next morning, I was like, oh, my gosh, I feel terrible. I mean, I didn't need to be hospitalized for anything, for goodness sakes. But there was, without a question, an absolute difference on how I felt. And I knew what it was. It had everything to do with what I put in my body. And it goes, it goes back to, I just, you know, it's time and energy and, you know, I need to eat something and, you know, it was quick and grab and things like that. And, and it's, you know, I, I ended up paying for it a little bit, nothing major. Like I said, it wasn't hospitalized for anything, but it not only did it impact my, my body, but it definitely without a question impacted my mind. you know, felt a little sluggish, not only my, my body, but definitely felt sluggish in my mood. I didn't have that happen. The step that I had just 24 hours ago. And I said that to Rebecca and I said, I will never do that again. And even though I say it, I know it'll probably happen again.

SPEAKER_01: 27:08

Yeah, I know. Yeah. This weekend we went out to dinner with my dad on Saturday and he's super picky, just your standard American diet. And when I say that, that it's even only like a handful of restaurants that he will eat here. I was like, do we have to go there? And he's like, come on, we haven't been here in a while because it was the only place we were going for a while. It was like every 10 days we were gonna go have wings. And for us just, The Wings Place, that's our favorite place for wings, but just over-seasoned. You know, the seed oils are there and the French fries. And then Sunday night, we went out to dinner too. We were trying to play matchmaker with some friends of ours at a Mexican restaurant. And Monday, I mean, I could just feel it. And you can feel like, okay, I was doing five pull-ups on Friday and And I could only get like two and a half on Monday. And I'm going to tell you, people might think, oh, I'm going to tell you it had everything to do with how I fueled my body.

SPEAKER_00: 28:14

Yeah. And that's excellent because- Again, it goes back to investing your body, fuel for your body, the right fuel for your body. And I just literally said it on one of my earlier Zooms in the beginning of the week. And I said, we have to treat ourselves almost like our favorite automobile. You know, if you bought a classic Corvette and you're going to wax it, you're going to make sure you put the right fuel in it. You're going to make sure you put the right oil in it. You're going to be spending all this time and energy on making sure not only the car looks great, but it's operating correctly. But when it comes to our own body, We don't. And we don't do it. I mean, we may, you know, obviously I'm a big advocate for it. But even, you know, the wonderful, positive experiences I've had, there's times where I'm not treating my body like that classic Corvette.

SPEAKER_01: 29:04

Yeah. Yeah, I know. I told my kids because they go back and forth. They know they know what they were raised with. They know how to eat.

SPEAKER_03: 29:12

Right.

SPEAKER_01: 29:12

But when, you know, one comes to me, I've got acne. Well, I can tell you why. Do you want to hear

SPEAKER_03: 29:17

it?

SPEAKER_01: 29:18

Like it comes from the inside out. Acne is not an outside deal. And, you know, she doesn't want to hear that. Of course, she's 19. Right. Right. But so they they know. I'm like, look, you can't go and put sand in your car gas tank and expect it to run.

SPEAKER_03: 29:36

Right. Right.

SPEAKER_01: 29:38

It's not going to. Right. So are there specific I know you I know that. in watching Living Proof, right? That has Matthew Embry, right? That's- Correct, correct. He found and his father found that gluten and dairy were definitely significant in potentially and not increasing or progressing multiple sclerosis. Is that my understanding? Or that they mimic, right? the myelin sheath or something with the myelin sheath.

SPEAKER_00: 30:15

Yeah. It's, it's the, it's the inflammatory. Yeah. It's without a question. It's those, those inflammatories, um, whether it's gluten and it's interesting when you say that Elizabeth, so it was back in 2016, right after my stem cell transplant, that's when I really made a very conscious decision about making sure that this new immune system I have, I'm treating it in kind, you know, before I was doing that, you know, I might have had Diet Coke, I might have been having this a lot more sweets and things like that. But that was really the more turnaround point. It's like, hey, got a shot, I will never have this again. And I want to do that. So can I say that I'm gluten free? No, because it takes a long time to be truly gluten free.

SPEAKER_03: 31:04

Now

SPEAKER_00: 31:06

on the dairy part of it, I don't do any dairy, but as we just talked about, there's certain foods that dairy is mixed into that or certain glutens that are part of it. And so I've become a real label watcher, especially as it relates to dairy. Because a certain amount of gluten, I'm not gluten intolerant, but I am probably more gluten sensitive. I can eat something unsaturated. I have no problem doing anything with a sourdough slice of bread. So I like, I love sourdough having, you know, an avocado slice of toasted sourdough. I have no problem with it. It doesn't impact me and things like that. Now, if I were to get, you know, good old fashioned hooses, white bread, which I don't even know what that would look like anymore, because it's all whatever, it's not even true bread. And if I were to do that, And I'm going to feel that within 20 minutes because I've almost eliminated that out of my system for so long. But going back to your question and comment. May

SPEAKER_01: 32:07

I stop you really quick? When you say you will feel that in 20 minutes, what does that feel like for you? I

SPEAKER_00: 32:14

feel it in my fingers, in my hands. Right now, my hands have been that numbing kind of feeling for the last 20 years. That was actually one of my first symptoms that I had with MS. And it's still, it's never dissipated. I mean, I still can feel things. I can feel, you know, if someone pinches me on a finger, if I prick it with, you know, some sharp object, I'm going to feel it. But it's almost like, you know, if your hand falls asleep, that's what it feels like. However, with what your question is, they feel very tight um almost to the point where like i can do this with this hand now this one has not as much mobility and the dexterity is is not much like in my left hand or my right hand and but if i were to have something of inflammatory then my hand my left hand let's it just claws up very much so. And it takes a lot to loosen that and things like that. And every time I always relate it to environmental, such as maybe heat or even diet. And that's my first sign. I'm like, yeah, wow, I'm feeling it. I can definitely feel it in this hand. And that when you answer the question, it's that tightness and it's almost, it feels tight. I don't know. It just feels really, really tight and flexibility. My spasticity in my body increases a great deal.

SPEAKER_01: 33:42

Huge. I think it's important to just mention because I know that everybody can feel. You say you're not necessarily gluten intolerant. Gluten can be a very difficult one for people to let go of. I think because You know, I mean, bagels and butter is something that I grew up on. That was almost a comfort food,

SPEAKER_03: 34:11

right?

UNKNOWN: 34:11

Then you're talking about pasta, having to give up pasta.

SPEAKER_01: 34:16

My gosh, biscuits, anything. I mean, those are things I grew up, Pop-Tarts. My parents did not, you know, they did what they could. We were eating all the things that kids ate, you know, cereal.

SPEAKER_03: 34:28

Right. So

SPEAKER_01: 34:30

when you hear this like, oh, gluten doesn't bother me, sometimes you don't always know until you've taken it away for a significant period of time. And like you said, it is really actually, it can take really like four to six months to truly be gluten-free. And a lot of times- when that cheat occurs, right? It's not because you've just eaten the gluten. If you have that leaky gut, that weak gut barrier lining, right? That's seeping into your bloodstream. And so it's there. You've got to get all of that out. It's not just, hey, I'm going to eliminate gluten. You have to give the body time to truly eliminate it as well.

SPEAKER_00: 35:12

Right. And you can, and you'll definitely notice it, you know, complexion, skin, without a question. You know, I've, you know, of course I'm aged, you know, older than I was, you know, 15, 10 years ago and things like that. But I do know that I'm more sensitive to that. And, you know, like for example, pasta, you know, Rebecca just made a wonderful, we haven't had pasta in, I don't know how long, weeks. And, She made a gluten free pasta last night. It was it was fantastic. It was fantastic. It was absolutely delicious. But there was also other things in it because, you know, it wasn't like, you know, you've got the red sauce, you've got the cheese that's in it. You know, that's why it's going back to I'd love to say I'm 100 percent dairy free, but there's certain, you know, here we are having pasta and there's some cheese in it. So that, that tells you right there. So, and you know, that goes back to, I want to still enjoy my life and enjoy my evenings or whether it's my wife or my kids or my grandbabies. So that's really what I try to do. But again, moderation is key. Am I going to eat, even though it's gluten-free pasta, but there's other aspects of that. Am I going to eat it every day? Two and three times a day? No. And, you know, I, there are certain times, well, I typically do it. So I'm, I do intermittent fasting almost on the daily. So I'm not eating from seven o'clock at night most of the time. until seven o'clock the next morning. So there's already 12 hours involved until I have that beautiful apple. And then, so I do more, I do the apple and then I do what I call a refrigerator clean out smoothie. So whatever I find in the refrigerator, that's going into my smoothie, including a bunch of fruit and some other supplement things that are going in there and things like that as well.

SPEAKER_01: 41:00

So now, so, okay. So let's maybe talk a little bit about the supplements there. So in that refrigerator smoothie, what does that look like? I just got a new recipe for a, well, this gal calls it a reset smoothie. So I'm curious to see, you know, what it tastes like. But because, you know, she threw in like egg yolks and sun nut butter and then a collagen protein powder. It sounds like a lot. I haven't tried it yet. But it almost sounds too heavy. I'm not sure when I would. When I would eat it, drink it yet, but I will. And it was like frozen cherries. I got my frozen cherries just the other day. I got to acquire the other ingredients. But what's your refrigerator smoothie?

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So we get the big bag of frozen fruit. I know,

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I'm a little French.

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Right, now that's good. He's

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upset that the other one's like right here and wants the attention. He's like, oh, you know.

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I was going to say, he's getting his attention. He looks very comfortable. As much as we love our fresh fruit and things like that, but sometimes it's, you know, economically, it's not that as possible all the time. But so we get a really big bag of frozen fruit and it's got the raspberries, the blueberries, the blackberries in it and things like that. So I put a couple of scoops of that, water. I've got a fiber supplement that I'm putting in there that has a couple other probiotics in there. I do take a daily probiotic, which I would tell everyone to make sure you're taking a quality probiotic day on a daily basis. And, you know, I don't do, obviously I don't do it with dairy, but it is a, you know, water-based smoothie. And so today I was looking for some other vegetables that I could put in it. I found it, I put another apple in it. So I got two apples today and put some some other supplement in there, some magnesium, some lemon, some ginger. And a matter of fact, when I was drinking, I said to my wife, I said, I like this. It's kind of got, you know, I said, what is in this, um, it's a cell energy and it has this magnesium and ginger and lemon in it and things like that, which I didn't know it had lemon. And she goes, well, it's got some lemon. I said, I really like it. It's really, you know, it's great. And, but I, you had a bag of carrots, put some carrots in there. So whatever I, you know, it's always the water, it's always the fruit and, you know, whatever I else find in there that other vegetables and other fruit that I can throw in there. I always tell my wife, I'm like, Okay. These blueberries, whatever you do, she goes, I think that we're going to get rid of those the next couple of days. I said, don't get rid of them. I said, just put them in the, in the back. I will clean it out. Trust me. Well, I think,

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you

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know, I think these carrots are going to go bad. I said, leave them. I'll blend them up. They're going to be mine.

SPEAKER_01: 43:49

Yeah. Yeah. So you just kind of toss in, sounds like just about anything.

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I do. I do. And it's a, it's a big, it's probably, gosh, I'm holding both my fingers up. I mean, it's a, it's one of these ninja smoothies. It's like 40 ounces. So I'm making enough for, you know, if I have it in them, obviously not yet, but I'm having it in the morning. I might have it again in the afternoon, but there's enough that I'll have enough for that one for tomorrow. So it's an easy 16 ounce smoothie that I'm having on each morning.

SPEAKER_01: 45:27

And that's like after your workout, would you say?

SPEAKER_00: 45:30

Yes, absolutely. Definitely. And then right after my workout, I do have a protein bar that I have. And so I want to get some protein in my body. Rebecca is wonderful. She makes these. It's an easy recipe. It's these protein balls. It has protein powder in it, peanut butter, some oats, some little tiny chocolate chips in there just to give it a little sweet to it. And she puts them in the freezer and she says, here you go. So I'll have a few of those during the day. That might be my late night, you know, sometimes in the evening if we're and I'm like, man, I'm really hungry. She goes, you want a protein ball? I'm like, done. And so that that really helps curb that part.

SPEAKER_01: 46:16

I think we awesome to maybe get that recipe. I could include it in the show notes. I don't know if that's.

SPEAKER_00: 46:21

Yeah, I'll definitely give it to you. It's

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a big secret.

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No, it's, it's, it's pretty simple. I think, uh, I don't know where she got it from, but yeah, it's, it's a, it's a pretty basic type of protein ball and, um, and it's just kind of, you know, a little extra boost, right?

SPEAKER_01: 46:37

Yeah. Yeah. See, I gotta be honest. I would say, um, I can be a bit of a binge eater, which is something that I've always struggled with. So if I have something like that in the house and I know they're in the house, then I might eat them a You know, what I realize is that, you know, the less that I keep of those things around, but it is nice to have. And it's definitely, to me, better than having something that's been store-bought. You know, like if you put it together, you know what's in it. Oh, yeah. That's

SPEAKER_00: 47:09

how I feel. We talk about it all the time. You know, if she house-makes something... I never have any challenge with it if she's making something on its own. Now, if we were to go to the store and buy protein balls, you know, whatever, I don't know if they make that. If we were to buy them, and I'm sure there's a product out there, you can buy protein balls. And but it's going to be filled with additives and preservatives and other types of things. But, you know, she's making them and I never have any sort of reaction at all.

SPEAKER_01: 47:40

Yeah, yeah. So that would be a cool recipe to have be able

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to. Yeah, I'll definitely forward it to you.

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share with the audience. Okay. So you take a few supplements and then do you have, I, I, and I don't necessarily, I don't you know, I've got supplements that I like some, some brands I like you don't necessarily have to share. Cause I never promote anything really specifically. I think everybody has to do what works for them and find the products that work for them. But like your daily supplements, supplements, I can say that I take a daily magnesium and vitamin D complex, and then I take a methylated B complex. What else do I take? When I have it, which I try to keep it around, I take a beef liver complex, beef liver capsule. So are there things that you consistently try to take?

SPEAKER_00: 48:38

Yeah. So one of the things, you know, one of the, let me talk about the challenge and I'll tell you what I've done and that's helped with it. So unfortunately, one of the challenges with multiple sclerosis is there can be bladder challenges and things like that, as many, many people have experienced. And I'll never forget this. I remember going to my doctor and This was years ago. And he asked me, he said, are you still taking this whatever medication it was for bladder? Because I was having some urgency issues and things like that. But when I go back in time and I look at that, it's due to the fact because my diet was definitely off and so on and so forth. And I said, when we went back for this revisit, and I said, no, I'm not. He said, well, again, it's a typical MS specialist question. Well, how's your bladder? And I said, it's pretty good. And he said, and that's when he asked the question, are you still taking blah, blah, blah medication? And I said, no, I haven't taken that in years. And he said, so what are you doing? And I said, I'm taking a supplement that actually has pumpkin seed oil. And it has, so I take anywhere from between 250 to a thousand milligrams of pumpkin seed a day. Most of the time it averages around 500 milligrams a day. But he said, pumpkin seed oil. And again, this is a very well-known MS specialist at our hospital here. And he said, pumpkin seed oil. He said, what's it doing? I've never heard it. And I said, okay, so here we go. Let's start class. And I shared with him and he said, I'm going to, I'm going to look into that. And I said, sure. And I remember getting a message through my portal from his nurse and said, your doctor, he said he was looking into that and was very amazed and surprised with the results of pumpkin seed oil and what it's doing for people. Not only is it beneficial for bladder but it's also great for, especially for men with prostate. And I don't have prostate issues, but it's very beneficial for that. But the biggest is for the bladder thing. So most of the time, I don't typically have any issues in that area. However, I have to put it in in quotes there, because if I deviate from my exercise, you know, as I mentioned, planking, that planking is important because it's, you know, keeping my core solid and, you know, sturdy as possible. Pelvic floor exercises that I do on a daily basis, including the pumpkin seed oil. So it's not one bullet that's in the holster. There's quite a few different things. And that's one of the things I always communicate that it's not a one thing. It's not a one and done you've got to build a whole system of different things. You almost have to essentially build an arsenal that's going to work for you that you can fight this disease and fight the symptoms because it's not the disease itself that's bothering people with multiple sclerosis. It's the symptoms. It could be sleeping. It could be cognitive. It could be, you know, what I call the three Bs, the bladder, bowels, and bedroom. It could be any of those things. It could be spasticity. And some of those, not some, every one of those can be dialed down tremendously through proper nutrition, uh, some supplementation and exercise without a question. It's not going to cure it. It's not going to cure your MS. Well, I, am I still a guy with MS? Yes. And I'm still a guy with MS that's planking three times a day. I'm like, I'm a guy that's playing, uh, that has MS that is exercising every day, who's nutrition, things like that. But I think it's very important to make sure we have an overall wellness feeling and feeling better. So I introduced something, uh, a couple of months ago and there was a, you know, biophotobiomodulation and that's to increase the wake up of the stem cells and things like that and the collagen and things like that. So I've been incorporating that and that has helped tremendously. So as I said in the beginning, I'll add certain things into my daily or my weekly and my regimen.

SPEAKER_01: 53:08

Okay. And so what is this photo? bio, what'd you say? Photo bio modulation.

SPEAKER_00: 53:15

Yeah, it's a, it's, it's actually a particular patch that I'm using and it's a, it's a non-transdermal patch that I'm using and it is exactly that. So it's a particular patch and I've been very, I was a little, go ahead.

SPEAKER_01: 53:31

Is it LifeWave X39? It

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is. You do it, don't you?

SPEAKER_01: 53:35

Yeah. Yeah.

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Oh, there you go. Now I've got one here. So you find

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it's been beneficial. Okay. So which ones do you have on? Because Joe is still like, I don't know. It's a little woo woo. And I'm like, I don't think so.

SPEAKER_00: 53:47

Stick it on them. Just go ahead and put it on them. Don't even say, you know what? I'm putting this on you and you can tell me how you don't feel bad. Yeah. And it is, and I don't have to tell you because you're using it. So the one I had on the back of my neck, that's the 39 one. It's that one that I was talking about. And yesterday I was feeling a little bit more anxious and I don't know if it's because I didn't sleep that well. I was just a little more anxious. And Rebecca said, I want you to try this one. It kind of keeps you calm, takes any of the anxiousness away. And again, even though I've been very successful with the other one for the last couple of months, I'm like, okay, like that kind of rolling my eyes. And she did. And I was like, by mid afternoon, she put it, you know, she stuck it on me. I don't know. It was around noon. And I guess about an hour later, I was like, it felt like I had really calmed down quite a bit. I mean, I was pinging and I was a little.

SPEAKER_01: 54:45

Yeah. That's

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it. That's it. And so I was, again, even though I've been very successful with the other one, I was like, okay. And I was a little bit hesitant. I'm like, okay, whatever. How is that going to do? And I did. And even this morning, as I was having lunch, Rebecca said, hey, put this on because I think you'll see some great benefits. And it's funny because I was just sharing with this with a friend the other day. And I said, you know, I got to tell you, I said, and maybe you've experienced this too, Elizabeth, that like within 20 minutes after, you know, you put on this for 12 hours, within 20 minutes, I take it off. I'm like sleepy and I'm, you know, and I'm kind of yawning and I typically don't start, you know, doing things like that. And my sleep quality has, it's unbelievable. I'm sleeping through the night, um, And, you know, I just shared with a, one of our friends yesterday and how much my sleep quality has, I'm sleeping through the night. Typically I'll wake up, you know, two, two 30 in the morning between two and three every morning. And my legs would get so spastic and I'd lean over and, you know, always kept, um, two, like a muscle relaxer, a, you know, one milligram of muscle relaxer. And I'd lean over, I, you know, take it with simple water and try to fall back asleep. Well, what I found out It was number one that was hurting me because as a muscle relaxer, it's a double-edged sword. So as much as it may take some of that spasticity away, it's also taking muscle tonality away. It's taking those types of things away from you as well. And especially when we're sleeping, we're healing and we're growing and our muscles are mending. So all that work that I did the day before of increasing strength and things like that, even one milligram or two milligrams can be detrimental. So it was in my physical therapist. He had told me, um, I don't know, this was probably about a year ago. He said, what I really want you to do is I want you to, and I use a supplement that is, um, doesn't have any muscle relaxers. So it's an organic, it has three only ingredients in it. And I can share that with you as well. And, but it only has the three in, uh, in, um, organic ingredients into it, natural ingredients, I should say, not organic, natural ingredients in it. One of them is magnesium. And so, um, If I do wake up, I'll take that, but I won't take a muscle relaxer before going to bed. And I won't take it during the night because of the same reasons I mentioned, because I don't want to take two steps forward and one step back. And he had said, he said, don't take just whatever you do. Don't take a muscle relaxer. He said, you know, what you're taking is maybe a milligram. He said, you know, if you're really tight in the mornings after you're done all your stretching, if you still feel like you need to take it, then go ahead and take one milligram as long as you're exercising. But if you're sitting on the sofa, you're sitting at your desk, don't take a muscle relaxer because it's doing more harm to you than it is good. And I thought that was good advice.

SPEAKER_01: 57:56

Yeah, I mean, that makes sense to me. I know that oftentimes there are people pharmaceutical drugs that, you know, there, it is a one step forward, two steps back. I mean, I think the thing that Joe was, you know, concerned with, right. The, what they want to give you, he, he opted for no medication. We saw the neurologist right. It suppresses the immune system. And he's just like, I, why, why do I, you know, his question, why do I want to do that? And be more prone to almost anything else that could come along. And so, He hasn't done that. I don't foresee that in any near future by any means at all. And, you know, diet is big. We still live life. I mean, we have tried various things. We do eat a lot of grass fed beef. And we probably eat most. That mostly because we found a really good farmer that we like. We know what we're getting. Same

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here.

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In bulk. And I swear, some days I'm like, okay, burgers every day in every way because we have burger meat more often than we don't. Right. I was thinking about chicken tonight. I can get some Amish chicken down the way up the street. So I think my daughter's like, can we please have something besides beef?

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Yeah.

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I'm like, I guess, you know, like a hundred pounds of beef in the freezer.

SPEAKER_00: 59:23

Right. Same, same with us. We, we, we have a local farmer's market and part of the process and subscription that we have with them. It's, it's, it's a monthly type of thing. And we have, you know, different steaks and, and lots of hamburger and things like that. And, you know, Rebecca has made the hamburger, you know, three, four different ways. And it's interesting because, Because, so Rebecca, as an example, has a very sensitive digestive system. So anything with salt or spices and things like that, she can't. And so she was putting in a little grocery pickup order for today. And one of the things that she had in there was these frozen burgers that you get from the local grocery store. And I said, And I kind of teased her. I said, we've got a lot of hamburger in there. And she goes, well, I thought it'd be kind of easy. We'd have burgers. And I said, but I'm okay with it because I've been fine with those. But I do know it has a certain amount, a high level of sodium and certain preservatives and things like that. I said, I can navigate through that, but it's going to bother you. I know that. I'm always thinking about how it's going to impact her and her digestive system. And she said, you're right. And so, you know, it was real simple. We took it out. But yeah, it's just, again, it's that simple thing. Oh, let's get a frozen box of hamburgers and we don't know 100% of what's in it. Sure, it tastes good going down, but how are we gonna feel the next day? The extra spices that are in there, the extra preservatives in there, and how long has it been frozen? When was it cut? All those types of things. And what else was added to the beef as well?

SPEAKER_01: 1:01:03

So are there other things that you do avoid? I know... we realized getting rid of onions and garlic fresh was better for us. We'll use powder, but if we smell forever, we taste in our mouth forever, you know, so we realized like that. We actually do best with, yeah, very low spices and mostly salt. We use, you know, sea salt. Right. And that's almost it. So when we do go out, like it seems like there's fireworks going on in our mouth because I think the palates of Americans, they are so... I don't know, inundated with flavor and artificial flavors. It's almost destroying, you know, the way the brain receives the information. And so you need more and more flavor to feel and taste the flavor. And now because we've removed so many flavors, you know, like last night we have a little herb garden. I threw in some fresh oregano and thyme and our squash and zucchini. We had our hamburgers.

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Perfect.

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And and a little bit of a regular.

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Right. Right. Yeah. And I mean, I agree with you. I think, you know, different restaurants, I mean, whether it's a casual restaurant, they're used to they've got their specific recipes that they have to use, you know, whatever it is. I'll pick on like a Chili's or an Applebee's or something like that. And we don't go to them very often. but they have a standard recipe that they have to use. And they've got, you know, the big container of Applebee's seasoning and, you know, and it's on everything. And the same thing for chili. So this is the seasoning that they put on everything. And as the consumer, we're saying, oh, it tastes so great and things like that, because it's a blend of seasoning. And so, yeah, it definitely, and not to mention what, how many, how long has it been there? How long has it been in that container? And then what other spices and other ingredients are included in that?

SPEAKER_01: 1:03:01

Right. To keep Keep it preserved on the shelf. Yeah,

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exactly. Exactly.

SPEAKER_01: 1:03:05

Yeah. I know we, we, I mean, we did go out twice this weekend. I'm like, gosh, we went out twice this week and that's very unusual for us, but we just feel so much better when we eat at home and we know what we're eating.

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Right.

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And, you know, when you really get in touch with, and again, sometimes it does mean removing to know, right. Because when you bring it back, it's usually when you're like, oh, you can walk around and say you feel fine until you realize maybe I don't feel fine.

SPEAKER_02: 1:03:41

Right. Exactly.

SPEAKER_00: 1:03:44

Yeah, I just I think that's the lesson is that I've learned over these years and especially the last decade. of my real focus on health as it relates to nutrition. We were raised, we're all raised with you are what you eat, right? But there's so much truth to that. And I do have a very specific regimen that I have for supplementation. You mentioned vitamin D. I take liquid vitamin D on a daily basis, about 1500 IUs of vitamin D a day. and then a few other supplements. I take a moringa supplement, which has really helped with other, it's kind of like you feel when you start incorporating a particular, whether it's a food, nutrition, or supplement, you're like, I'm never going to not do this. And that's kind of where I am. There's certain supplements on a daily basis. B12, I will never miss a day of taking a B12 supplement. It just kind of helps kickstart and keeps everything what it's supposed to do. It's also very good for nerve support and metabolism and all the other things.

SPEAKER_01: 1:04:57

Have you ever, I don't, maybe we talked about it last time. Have you had, you know, the full thyroid panel? Because it seems like at some point I read that oftentimes folks with MS also have some thyroid issues and I know not all physicians will run even the full thyroid panel. Oftentimes, they just do the TSH, which is really just the brain, the thyroid stimulating hormone. All it is looking at is how the thyroid is being stimulated. It doesn't mean that the T3... And T4 being produced so that the conversion from T3 to T4 is taking place. Like there's all this stuff that goes beyond just your TSH level. And I've wondered about that one. We asked the neurologist the other day, she absolutely refused to do it. She would only do it if he was medicated.

SPEAKER_00: 1:05:57

I was going to say, it doesn't surprise me. Again, a very similar conversation I had earlier in the week. Most MS specialists, I'm going to put it in the neurologists, MS specialists, they're not going to do those things. They'll do a vitamin D test. They may or may not do an endocrine test. I personally have never had any thyroid issues. I've never had a thyroid panel done. So I wouldn't even know what that looked like. But even when I, my last diagnosis, doctor, assuming my last visit with my neurologist, I had asked for it. I wanted to get an updated testosterone test. And I think you and I even talked about that or we're messaging back and forth and they said, well, that's not something we do in the, in this office. I'm like, okay. Yeah. Even though they can, I mean, they have the same process and they, you know, if they can do the, and here's, here's the, here's the sauce. They will do a test on the patient to make sure that is not going to interact or have a problem with any medication that they're prescribing. So for example, there's certain medications that are out there, certain DMTs that they have to make sure that they get you a particular blood test and make sure that you are getting all the green checks and the green lights before they put you on this particular DMT. So that is normally standard It should be. And when I'm talking to people, if they haven't done a blood test, if they're suggesting for you to go on an infusion and they haven't done a blood test, they need to be doing a blood test and making sure your panels are good and things like that. There was a gentleman that I just had a conversation with probably a couple weeks ago, and he was on his third or fourth different type of DMT. Well, it turned out he's JC virus positive. And so he was starting a particular DMT and he was having all sorts of reactions with it. And again, I want to be clear, I'm not against DMTs. They may work for some, but some are higher efficacy for you or for whomever than others. And so the particular medication that he was on, it was counteracting what he needed to do. It was making him feel terrible. And I don't want to get on a DMT thing, but most physicians that we've had on our groups and MS specialists, they will always say this, a DMT will never make you feel better. And I kind of giggle about that because I see so many different comments. People say, oh, I can't wait to get on a DMT so I can feel better. That's the farthest thing from the truth. You will never feel better. And when I mean feel as far as an overall wellness, you will never feel better being on a DMT. And matter of fact, the specialists that have been partnered with us, they have always said that if anything, you're going to feel worse, especially initially. And the DMTs are not intended to make you feel better. Their role and their guide is to help slow the progression. That's it. That's all their role is supposed to do. And that hasn't

SPEAKER_01: 1:09:06

been proven that it actually does that. Right,

SPEAKER_00: 1:09:09

right, right. Yeah. There's some that have, and the only proof that they have is, so for example, if you have a particular set of MRIs and you've got some new lesions and things like that, and then six months, they say, okay, let's put you on a particular disease modifying therapy. You're on that modifying therapy. And then you do another set of MRIs six months later. And they say, oh, there's no, there's no change. Okay. That's fine that the DMT may be working, but have you, have you done other, any other things in your, in your body, um, that has made going back to what you've talked about with the Embry documentary and his, um, you know, nutrition cookbook and things like that. There's a lot of, um, nutritional based information out there that has been proven that those types of foods, inflammatory foods can increase the progression of your MS and your MS symptoms without a question. It's, it's research-based, but Again, it goes back to the diligence and the discipline. And, you know, even sometimes even the frustration of people, you know, I'm just going to eat something. I'm just going to have a peanut butter sandwich. And listen, who doesn't like a good old peanut butter sandwich? Right. But the peanut butter is not the same peanut butter that we had 20 years ago. And, you know.

SPEAKER_01: 1:10:24

Yeah, I know. And then, yeah, that's yeah. Yeah. It's not the same peanut butter. And I know I don't eat a lot of peanut butter anymore. Right. And

SPEAKER_00: 1:10:34

if you like peanut butter, if you want the, you know, the real peanut butter, it might have two, three ingredients in it. And it's, you know, very liquidy looking as an example. And people are like, oh, that looks gross. And you're going to spend$8 for something that's this big. And people are like, I'm not going to spend that much money. I can spend$2.98 for a big container of Jif. Well, guess what? For$2.98, guess how you're going to feel? It happens. And, you know, I'm just using that as an example. No, I

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know. But peanut butter is one, you know, that... you do have to really think about. I mean, I grew up on Jif. It's got the partially hydrogenated oils. But then when you like dig a little bit deeper and one of the more, golly, I was like, this was like 20 years ago. Yeah, because I just had my son. I was looking, I was seeing this oriental medicine guy. I don't even know why. I just was into the alternative all my life. And And he did a live blood cell analysis. Have you ever had that done? It's really cool. So he takes your blood on a screen in a microscope and he puts it up on a computer screen. And he's the one who first told me I had leaky gut because you can see the food particles in your blood if you have a live blood cell analysis. So he wanted me to go on the blood type diet and I'm an O. And at that time I was a vegetarian. So there was no way in hell I was going to eat meat. Like I didn't like the texture. I didn't like running into the gristle as a child. And I thought I was doing all the right things. And I was a vegetarian until I was like 24. And then I started with some fish when I think when I was pregnant with my son. And then that led to bison liver capsules because I saw this guy up in, well, I went to Dr. Mercola's office up in Illinois. I don't know if you've ever- you get his newsletter at all, but I, he's very informative and very, um, progressive with, with, you know, alternative healing and prevention. And so I saw them, they're like, Oh, you've got to eat meat. Right. You know? And so that led to eating a little bit of bison and now I'm full blown. Like who would, I would have never thought, you know, that I eat hamburgers and right. Every day. I would have never guessed that, you know, and then 27, it was just like one thing. Chicken was the last thing I added. Um, And I really don't know where I was completely going with that. But, oh, the old blood type diet. I don't know. You just have to, you know, you do have to kind of trial and error your way through it. But I was, I think I was going to say something about something he had shared with me. I

SPEAKER_00: 1:13:14

think I follow him. I'd have to double check, but I do follow him. And I think, not I think, I know many things that he talks about. It definitely gives you pause. It definitely gives you information for thought and provoking, you know, without a question.

SPEAKER_01: 1:13:30

Yeah. But, oh, so, and then I, around that same time, another woman was proactive. Oh, blood type diet. Well, some of the things that are on the, Oh, blood type diet that our nose are peanut butter, peanuts, cantaloupe, pistachio. There's a whole list. And it's not necessarily because of those products is what she said. It's because they are prone to mold. So it wouldn't matter what peanut butter you buy right now. Right. You're not going to be guaranteed, which is why I'm buying, you know, mold free proven mold free coffee. If I'm going to get right, because that mold can have an impact on your gut health. And so, you know, I mean, it's so much deeper, like you said, it's beyond a full-time job.

SPEAKER_00: 1:14:19

It is. And you know, and it's frustrating because, well, I mean, it is what it is. I mean, I hate that. I hate that phrase. It is what it is, but sometimes it just is what it is. We have become a society. people of convenience. And we have become a people of, I mean, the grocery stores are huge now compared to they were 20 years ago. The amount of varieties, I mean, I'll pick on ice cream, I'll pick on peanut butter. You go down to the peanut butter aisle and there's 20 different types. You go down to ice cream and there's a hundred types of different, I'm not, you know, who doesn't like a good ice cream and things like that? But Here I'm saying that because I do dairy-free, but that's fact. And you can't... Even bread, even as simple as bread, bread is not the same bread that it was even 15 years ago, 20 years ago. There's so much into the product and the process of it and things like that. And it is... You can find anything on YouTube. So if you ever want to find out how a certain product is made, just go to YouTube and just use it as a research and say, how do they make blah, blah, blah and whatever it is. And you would be surprised on seeing how it is and how much containers it's been in, how many hands has been passed and things like that. And I don't get freaky about the different hands it's touched or something like that. But it does give you a pause. And our food supply, as I mentioned earlier, it's different than it was many, many years ago. And because there's just more, it's just a big economy issue and not a bad thing. It's just one of those things where everybody wants to put their hand in there and, hey, I've got the new bread. I've got the new this. I've got the new that. And, you know, it might have more seasoning. It might more have taste in it, whatever the case may be. But we have to Definitely got into, I mean, go down the coffee aisle, as you just mentioned coffee. It's not like one or two different types of coffee. There's so many different types of coffee. It's overwhelming. And how do you want to brew it? Do you want to do it in a K cup? Do you want to do it? You know, it's just the ground and the fine ground and the beans. And it's, it's just, it can be very overwhelming.

SPEAKER_01: 1:16:35

Yeah. And I mean, yes, just thinking about how things have changed so much, even just in a short amount of time. But when we were kids, I remember taking the glass Coca-Cola bottles back to be recycled and you put them on the rolling metal roll conveyor belt. We had an electric conveyor belt in the grocery line and you would set them there and there was not any plastic. There were no two liters.

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Agreed.

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You know, and so how I mean, that was just 40 some odd years ago.

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Right.

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Because I would carry them in. It was like one of my favorite things to do when we go to the grocery store was, you know, get to carry the Coke bottles in and put them up on the conveyor belt. Right. Good mom.

SPEAKER_03: 1:17:20

Right.

SPEAKER_01: 1:17:20

And, you know, now you see again the convenience. Right. Of course. And it's YouTube. I my son wanted to go to summer camp. He was 15. He wanted to take Gatorade. I didn't buy Gatorade. I never bought sodas. Like my kids were like, why can't you just be normal, mom? Well, that's not what you got. And I remember this particular summer camp conceding and going to buy the Gatorades on the condition that he watched the YouTube video that demonstrated how much sugar was in your Gatorade.

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Right.

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And this young man, maybe like 22 or 23, who was doing the YouTube video, you know, he literally showed you how much sugar was in your drink. I mean, it's a significant amount. I mean, not to mention you've got the artificial dyes in it too. And I got to say, my kids don't drink Gatorade. They turn to coconut water. We have great electrolytes. You know, they are sweetened with stevia, but they don't drink Gatorade. They don't. Like that is like never a thing. It's not something that they even... Think about, unless he's driving across the country like he's done and he needs an energy boost, he might get one of those horrible energy drinks. But I try to do like proactive things and with like... some teas that I like that are caffeinated with sweetened with honey for them. Ready to go. Take this instead. But I know that it is a difficult time and there are so many products out there and they entice almost anybody because they just look good. And they are confusing people.

SPEAKER_00: 1:19:11

They are. And, you know, again, you know, we're saturated in the market with everything, you know, whether it's social media, you know, we're constantly getting advertisements. You can't even open a news article with some sort of advertisement of something, a lot of it. And I do a lot of food looking and things like that. So maybe it's because that's when I'm doing it. That's why the ads are that way. But even television, you know, you turn on the TV and My wife and I love watching those couple of shows. We love watching American Idol when we were watching it. We were just blown away with some of the things that you're seeing on the consistent on the advertising for that particular program. And here again, we're talking about the demographics. It's a younger population that's typically watching that show as an example, and they're showing ready, again, Celsius. Hey, who doesn't like sometimes of those? Some people love those things, but it does have a lot of stuff in there, including taurine, which is challenging for a lot of people. Well, it has

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sucralose.

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It has sucralose in it, which is, it's very challenging. But again, going back.

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Those make me crazy because they paint a really, like they paint a picture on their can.

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Right.

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That, the Alani. Oh my gosh. I almost wanted to do a whole video of those in Costco because they are all, I'm just, I'm going to say they're garbage.

SPEAKER_00: 1:20:44

Right. It is. And, you know, I think everyone, we have to make sure as a consumer, especially for individuals that are dealing with autoimmune diseases, we got to be extra educated and be extra diligent on what we're purchasing. Sorry, I had some of the knuckle. We have to just be extra diligent on what we're purchasing and what we're looking at. And even if that means you're sticking with the same food items and those same items on a daily, weekly basis, there's nothing wrong with that. It's just the fact that, you know, you have to be consistent. And, you know, as I said earlier, I'm, if I told my wife, I'm like, I will eat this, this particular menu. I would eat this every day. I literally would. And she said, she would get tired of it. And I said, I'll worry about getting tired of it. Just let me know. But, you know, it's easier said than done. Right.

SPEAKER_01: 1:21:34

Yeah, well, I'm like, oh, gosh, what's for dinner, Joe? Burgers. I'm like, oh, God, you know, it doesn't sound that good. And then we sit down for those burgers. They're the best burgers I've ever had every night. We don't have buns. We might have some pickles. We might have tomatoes, but we don't have buns. We might have we found a ketchup that's sweetened with honey. And, you know, so when I say hamburgers, it's just burgers.

SPEAKER_00: 1:22:02

Right. And it's funny you say ketchup. That's that's the reason I gave it up, because there's so much stuff in it. Even this organic ketchup that they call it. There's so much junk in it. So I'm like, you know what? I'm sticking with mustard and mustard from now

SPEAKER_01: 1:22:15

on. I know it's and you just learn. And and and after a while, it's just second nature. You don't even think about it. You're not missing it. I mean, I don't miss it. There are a bunch of things I just don't miss. You just get used to it. And well, it's just kind of like like off my list of things.

SPEAKER_00: 1:22:31

Exactly. Exactly. And I think that's goes back to what I said earlier is it works for me. I know what works for me. I know what doesn't work for me and everyone is going to be different. You're obviously you and your world that look, you know, you talked about, Oh, you know, your, your diet, your blood type diet. There's many things. I have it in my favorites and my photos. I'm a positive. There's certain things that I need to kind of steer away from, um, like, like nightshades that I need to be kind of steering away from. Um, I can open myself up to certain foods and things like that. But that's where that when you get to a certain age, you have to become a little bit more educated. Like my youngest brother, who is 22 and loving life and this and that. And she was, oh, I don't need to take vitamins. I don't need to do this. And I'm like, okay, you do you, but I'm not going to tell you what to eat. But she likes going out to eat, having the Chick-fil-A and those types of things. And Chick-fil-A, who doesn't like Chick-fil-A once in a while, but there's a lot of stuff that's in there. But you know, you gotta, you gotta do your homework. And, and, you know, I always tell her and I'm like, you, you probably can definitely get away with it. Just like I got away with it at 22. And I'm not saying that you're going to develop MS by all means. I'm not saying that, but there's certain, you know, I, as I look back and my lifestyle and my life and what I was consuming and that everything that I was doing, Did food get me to the point where I had MS? I don't believe so. I think there was several things that were going on in my body that were triggers. And now I'm in this process. Okay. If I'm eating correctly, exercising correctly, supplementing correctly and things like that, that's keeping me on an even keel. I'm not, it's not going to reverse it. It's not going to go backwards.

SPEAKER_03: 1:24:27

Right.

SPEAKER_00: 1:24:28

Um, but you know, I, I do believe it's making a difference in my overall wellness.

SPEAKER_01: 1:24:33

I'm curious, uh, Because you mentioned, you know, did your food necessarily, not necessarily, you know, led to your MS. It's hard to, you know, tell younger, the younger people, they don't think the things are coming or could potentially come down the pipeline, right? They just don't. quite believe that yet at 23, 25. They're sort of in that, like, I'm still invincible kind of mindset, I think. And I haven't read this book yet. I think I'm going to download it for our drive down to Texas. The book, I think, I don't know exactly if I'm going to say his name right, but When the Body Says No by Gabor. It's M-A-T-E, but I want to say it's Mate. There's an accent over the E, I believe.

SPEAKER_00: 1:25:19

Okay. Yeah. Whatever. Please let me know what it is. I'd be curious.

SPEAKER_01: 1:25:23

Okay. Well, I haven't read it yet.

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Okay.

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Tell

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me what you think of it.

SPEAKER_01: 1:25:27

It is essentially when the body says no. Actually, I'm going to go grab it really fast so you can see. Okay. When the body says no.

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Okay.

SPEAKER_01: 1:25:45

Exploring. And the entire chapter two apparently is on MS.

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Yes.

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I'll

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definitely look at it.

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Like I'm really like big into trying to understand like underlying root cause, like why, why, why. And sometimes I think there is like a psycho spiritual, you know, there's more than just your diet that affects why one becomes, you know, or becomes or gets diagnosed with a disease. I like

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it.

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You know, and so I'm anxious to read this. I just haven't had time. Like I'm so busy. There are so many books I'm trying to read, but this one and then, but when I found out in one of these forums that chapter two is solely on MS, it made me want to dive into a little bit more because somebody told me MS, he had said that read this book, but I didn't know how far in it. Cause it, it's talking about a lot of different diseases, right? And not just MS, but MS is all of chapter two. If

SPEAKER_00: 1:26:47

you wouldn't mind, take a photo of that or I can do it. I can text it to you. Yeah, take a photo of it. Yeah, text it to me. I'd like to check it out.

SPEAKER_01: 1:26:55

Yeah, I mean, I just want to hear it because there's another book and I don't have it here. It's at my office. It's When Your Body Tells You to Love Yourself, something like that. Okay. And he talks about metaphysical or spiritual emotional reasons behind MS. And when I read the piece to Joe, I get really resonated for him. And I thought that's really interesting. And so of course, like I try to like, just look at the overall picture.

SPEAKER_03: 1:27:37

Right.

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as to why certain things like manifest. Sure. And so, you know, it's something about, you know, needing and wanting to know you're going to be taken care of by somebody literally asking for that. Okay. Like you're bringing in something that will almost ensure that someone will be there to take care of you now. Okay. Now let's say that's okay. Maybe that's, And then I think about, you know, we grew up in a latchkey generation. We really don't know what that's like for many, even if it was because that was the generation we were growing up in. You know, is that a sense of abandonment by parents, even though not? Do you know what I mean? Like what and how that emotionally really affects? we don't know really how that's impacted our generation. I mean, you probably might even be a little bit older, maybe latchkey, but definitely you're like you, you watch, um, uh, not, uh, what was that one? It was the Texas sitcom with, uh, you know, Sheldon. Have you seen it?

SPEAKER_00: 1:28:52

Okay. Yeah. I've heard, I know what you're talking about. As soon as you said Sheldon, I do know,

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you know, she goes to work,

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uh,

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the mom goes back to work, they become latchkey kids, you know, all these things. And you see literally my, my, like what we grew up with as children, you know, and in the eighties. And so, you know, I just think about, you know, like, what is it really like, what, what else is, and, you know, because the one guy who originally mentioned this book, he said it completely related for him. And when he was like, look back at his overall life history, because I don't, you're right. I don't think it was your food leading up to like what other things in your life, could have potentially brought this on for your biggest gift, really, maybe, right? I mean, you know what I mean? Does that make sense? Like, I personally think there's always a gift. God's always working for us.

SPEAKER_00: 1:29:42

Right. Yeah. And, you know, to that point, you know, Elizabeth, I'll say this, that, you know, as I said earlier, I didn't, you know, my unhealthy diet, you know, it wasn't terrible. It was just like you said. that latch key diet or whatever. And I wasn't a latch key kid. I was, you know, I was raised by a single mom who, you know, we got home from school and we had a key to get her in our house and things like that. And we were on our own until mom got home till after five, five 30. And, you know, and, uh, from work and cause we were old enough to be at home and watch over our younger, uh, younger daughter, younger sister and, and things like that. Um, so, um, We get a peanut butter and marshmallow sandwich with an orange soda. That was kind of my go-to. Or I'd have a bologna sandwich in the late afternoon snack when I got home. And again, we're talking about 16, 17 years old and things like that. But then what happens is there's certain diet that you start acquainting and realizing, okay, I'm hungry. I'm going to eat something. I'm just going to grab something. But you're not really focused on what the nutritious is. And, you know, there's incidences of health. It's obviously proven. You go back 50 years ago, the incidence of certain health and, you know, health disruptions, as I call, were not as high as they are now. Now, people can argue that and debate that it's because we have better data now and things like that. I don't know. You know, there's a whole monkey madness and craziness of all that. But I do know that MS has definitely, especially over the last 10 years, has definitely given me a wake up call as it relates to I'm going to invest into what makes me feel better. And, you know, I say it all the time to, to different zooms. If you don't, if you think eating hostess cupcakes and chocolate milk is not going to affect you, that's fine. You continue on your hostess cupcakes and chocolate milk and do that on a daily basis. But I will challenge you eat healthy for four days. And what I mean by healthy is eliminate this and this and this and this. And tell me that you don't feel better. I challenge you that to do that. No one's ever taken me up on that challenge. And, you know, I'll just do that and things like that. But it's OK. Everyone's got to do their own process in life and things like that. I know what works for me. And it's not always going to work for my wife. It's not going to work for my friends and things like that. But I know what works for me. And I have to, even like when we travel, I'll say this too, because it's very important. Like if we're doing any traveling and things like that, because when we travel, whomever it is or wherever we're going, it's like you have their upcoming wedding. You know, you're going to be doing this, maybe stopping through a drive-thru or whatever the case may be. And it goes back to what you said earlier, that maybe I'm going to have a headache. I'm going to feel a little sluggish and things like that. And I'm very... I've gotten much more disciplined as far as I won't cheat more on vacation or holiday and things like that. I'm going to still be that boring eater. I'm still going to get fish. I'm still going to get this. I'm going to get it without the bread. I'm going to get it without the bun. I'm not going to do pasta, which is filled with cream and gluten-based and things like that, because I know how it's going to make me feel.

SPEAKER_01: 1:33:02

Right. Yeah. Right. Right. Exactly. And I know like I'll, um, I'll take some activated charcoal with me. Usually I'm pretty good about having the beef sticks or even some healthier fruit leathers for the road. We try to pack accordingly. That way we're not totally freaking out when we can't find the place that will... you know, work. I mean, but

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we

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do, but I mean, I'm pretty good when it comes to that initial road trip down. Like when we leave, I'll make a frittata, you know, with eggs and some vegetables. Um, and then that's ready to go all day. I cut it up into pieces. It's in glass Tupperware, you know, I mean, I'm even, you know, making sure I'm packing in glass and not plastic or, um, aluminum. Um, but it's on the way home, right? When I don't have access to a kitchen to make all of that, that would be the more, you know, that's when we would make more concessions, but on the way down, we're good. We've had the fruit, we've got all the foods ready to go, but, um, you know, that's just, uh, and then knowing that, you know, maybe for a couple of days, yeah. Um, we're going to be eating a little bit off. Um, and, and then, you know, we do our best, um, you know, to make the healthier choices when we are out. So I don't want to take up too much more of your time, but I do want you to remind everybody about your upcoming. Now, I know I texted you about whether or not you're going to have speakers and vendors and so forth. And I know maybe, you know, without taking too much time. Will there be people there talking about nutrition and exercise and all these variety of things, you know, different, like live a better

SPEAKER_00: 1:34:59

life? Yeah, absolutely. So that's what's great about the conference. And, you know, it's called Stronger Together 2025. And our theme is knowledge is power. And it kind of encapsulates that. many of the things that we're even talking about today. And we will have different angles on what that looks like and what maybe people are looking for. So for example, we will have an MS specialist who is the director of the Elliott Lewis Center. So he will be coming down and doing a two-day presentation in the mornings for a couple hours each morning, talking about certain aspects of advancement, what's going on with MS research, and maybe potential clinical trials and things like that. Matthew Embry, speaking of, he will be one of our presenters again this year. Last year, he actually presented, it was the Living Proof 2, which hasn't been released yet. So I believe it was the first time it was actually screened in the United States last July. And it was really exciting to hear it and see it with our own eyes. It was just very emotional. If you've seen the first Living Proof 1 documentary, which you can pick up from Amazon and such, it's very truth telling and it just really wakes you up. The Living Proof 2 is the same thing. but Matthew Embry will actually be presenting 30 years of living testimony of diet and vitamin D supplements, all those things that we've been talking about. And then we will have, so that will incorporate some of the diet and lifestyle. We'll have some other panels that as it relates to, we have three individual MS wearers that they have been successful in their own right. So one who has been diagnosed for over 20 years, she's really been able to change the direction of her disease by focused on her nutrition. We have another one who's been focused on his rehab physical therapy. He was actually in a wheelchair. His doctor had said he was going to be a paraplegic. And so he worked his tail off and focused on rehab and trying to get his body and muscles more incorporated. And then we have another gentleman. Um, he will be talking about kind of the boat. Um, he's a big smoothie. He, he loves his, um, um, what's he call them? Garbage pail smoothies. I forgot what they're, they're kind of, um, To be honest with you, they're pretty nasty looking. They're very green. They're very chunky. And so when I see this, he made a post the other day and he had all these different green smoothies and there was like eight of them lined up in these jars and they were thick and chunky and like in the green. And I was like, But he was like, they're delicious because what he puts in them and things like that. And then we'll have a component as it relates to loved ones and through our loved ones' eyes. And we'll also have a particular panel that I'll be a part of as it relates to stem cell transplants. So we're kind of incorporating many different angles, not to mention the overall feeling where people get, you know, they're inspired, they're motivated and just a beautiful sense of community. because they're with other individuals that are going through the same thing that we all are.

SPEAKER_01: 1:38:22

Yeah. And remind me the dates.

SPEAKER_00: 1:38:25

It's from August 17th, which is, I think that's the arrival, which is the 17th on that Sunday. And then we will close it out on Thursday, excuse me, Wednesday evening with our dinner and silent auction. So it'll be Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, and then a lot of folks will be departing on Thursday.

SPEAKER_01: 1:38:45

Okay. And then all that information is going to be at your website, Modified by MS.

SPEAKER_00: 1:38:50

Right. Modifiedbyms.net. All the information is on there about the conference. We have several different landing pages dedicated specifically to the conference, the itinerary. We're still working some other details, adding some different details onto the website. itinerary, which is great because it is a 3D conference. And we had last year, the post-con notes, we had folks that wanted to get more information about this and that. But the majority of the information that people are looking for, they just love that camaraderie and that community and that fellowship. They really love that. As I shared with you last time, people were coming to us and say, this changed my life because everyone, many people, and I can feel this way myself, When you're diagnosed with something as radically different as MS, you kind of feel like you're on an island. And that's the difference. That's what makes it so special is because people are not on an island anymore. They know that there's other people that are going through the same situations, not only from a physical side, but also an emotional side as well.

SPEAKER_01: 1:39:57

Yeah. Well, I love that. I know community is really important.

SPEAKER_00: 1:40:00

It is.

SPEAKER_01: 1:40:01

And I really appreciate what you're doing for the collective. And I look forward to meeting you in person eventually. I don't know. We might get down there. That'd be

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awesome.

SPEAKER_01: 1:40:10

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That would

SPEAKER_00: 1:40:12

be awesome.

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All that information will be in the show notes. Thank you so much, Matthew.

SPEAKER_00: 1:40:17

Yeah, absolutely. It's been fantastic. And again, visit all our information is modifiedbyms.net. And not only about the conference, but we have a landing page specifically dedicated for unique resources. Those are unique resources that you won't find from doctors. And as we talked about before, but also we have a landing page dedicated to our wonderful Zooms that we have on weekly basis as well.

SPEAKER_01: 1:40:44

Yeah. And then they can find you also on, can people, do you have a Facebook group? No, not

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per

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se.

SPEAKER_00: 1:40:51

Well, we actually have a Facebook page called Modified by MS, and we actually are on Instagram. We do have, for individuals who are diagnosed with MS or their loved ones, we actually have a private Modified by MS group that There's a couple membership questions on there. How long have you been diagnosed? What are you looking for? Blah, blah, blah, those types of things. But I highly encourage everyone to go to our Modified by MS page. Just start there. Our website's listed there and we put information. And again, we're showcasing unique individuals and unique resources that people may not have known about. So, you know, it's just a wonderful area where people can go and navigate because some of this information you are not going to find from other sites and you're not going to find it from going to your MS specials once a year. I can guarantee you that.

SPEAKER_01: 1:41:42

Yeah, I mean, just our experiences, I can almost guarantee that too.

SPEAKER_02: 1:41:47

Right, right, right.

SPEAKER_01: 1:41:48

Yeah. Well, thank you so much. It's been a pleasure.

SPEAKER_02: 1:41:52

Thank you. Awesome. Thank you, Elizabeth.

SPEAKER_01: 1:41:54

You're welcome.